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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What is the reason for having separate cataloguers and curators? How likely is it that functions might gradually change so that the roles of cataloguers
and curators might merge? Would you want it to or not? In the UK many libraries have “Rare Book Librarians / Specialists / Curators” who undertake cataloguing alongside reference work, teaching or inductions, exhibitions, writing blog posts and so on (alongside
project cataloguers who just catalogue) and it helps to eliminate such frustrations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Piscitelli, Felicia A<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 March 2021 14:48<br>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Our practice is like LC's, at least since the early 2000's. We use a locally-defined field 948 that includes date, time, abbreviated name of cataloger, and whether the item was original or copy cataloged.
It is accessible to patrons if they use the "Technical view" (it does not display in the "Full view") and know what the codes mean, but frankly, this information is more useful for staff than for the public.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The idea to showcase the work of catalogers dovetails into another recent thread. Instead of having the public see every record a cataloger works on, one can write a blog post or write-up in a newsletter
about particular items of interest, or a problem solved successfully. Most folks interested in rare books would find a Sammelband containing three works by Erasmus printed in the 1520's more fascinating than a technical report on asphalt pavements from the
1980's. :-) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The problem is, when do catalogers have time to write about interesting stuff they've cataloged?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Rare Book and Special Collections Cataloger and Italian Resources Librarian <br>
Cushing Memorial Library & Archives <br>
Texas A&M University<br>
<a href="mailto:f-piscitelli@library.tamu.edu">f-piscitelli@library.tamu.edu</a><br>
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5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843<br>
Tel. 979-458-7880 or 979-845-1951<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">I am loving this discussion. I work at a map library that has lots of rare items. We used to have people stamp "Cataloged AC" - (their initials) - to indicate who cataloged an item. I
believe we did it as part of our "tradition" because that's what catalogers had done in the past. My library is the former research library of a geographical society, so we try to honor many of the traditions of that organization while also serving a modern
university. We no longer do this - stamping or indicating names in the catalog. Instead, we've all become handwriting experts and can ID handwriting in an instant. LOL. Attached is a photo of </span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Historic",sans-serif;color:#050505;background:white">an
item from my library where Thomas Letts initialed. He was active in the beginning of the 20th Century and created card catalog cards that are exquisite in their accuracy and detail.</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Erin Blake <<a href="mailto:erin.blake.folger@gmail.com">erin.blake.folger@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 17, 2021 4:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Including Cataloging History information in public interface</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our finding aids do credit the person or people who created them, but our OPAC records only have initials, and those initials are only viewable in "MARC View" of the OPAC. A public list of initials gives researchers an idea of when an item
was cataloged (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Ffolgerpedia.folger.edu*2FInitials_in_catalog_records&data=04*7C01*7Cacope*40uwm.edu*7Cb6996357e5814961831b08d8e9897971*7C0bca7ac3fcb64efd89eb6de97603cf21*7C0*7C1*7C637516123956491270*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000&sdata=5A*2BkDJaof23Go7yjjlV8C1wxYNwuY1S*2BTnsUyffKKsg*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KwNVnqRv!Xb4PGvAoS3A-TcvAB-JqLcMoqJG3FbFtDF2ldbHOGTNSTEjfaLxIR3U6myayRSFJ6Nk73hXLh0Y$">https://folgerpedia.folger.edu/Initials_in_catalog_records</a>)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Several people at our institution want catalogers' names to be included in records, since they believe catalogers should get "credit" for their scholarship, same as if they'd written an article, or a blog post, or any other thing where
names are routinely attached. Personally, I prefer to remain invisible! The record I'm making might be mostly based on copy, and I don't want to take credit for someone else's work. I also don't want to be blamed for someone else's bad work. Happy to be blamed
for my <i>own </i>bad work, but you can't tell who did what in a MARC record.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 |
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 3:33 PM Liz Adams <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.adams@duke.edu">elizabeth.adams@duke.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m currently convening a group at my institution looking at issues related to “provenance” (very broadly defined). One of the areas we’re thinking about is if we should ever include the name of the cataloger and the
date an item was cataloged in a field that would display publicly. Right now, we track our cataloging stats through cataloger IDs that do not display in our public interface. Manuscript processor here do typically include names and relevant processing dates
in finding aids. As a side note, AMREMM also includes “Cataloging History’ (7B27) that has an example including cataloger’s name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">My question is: Does your institution ever include cataloging history information related to print material or unique items in a field that display publicly? And if so, would you mind sharing those cases?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks so much for considering!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Liz <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Liz Adams<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Rare Materials Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">David M. Rubenstein Rare Book & Manuscript Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Duke University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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