<div dir="ltr">Angela, are these the words you are asking about, or the words directly following "vol."? How do the running titles read?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jennifer</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:26 AM Jones, Angela <<a href="mailto:arjones@mail.smu.edu">arjones@mail.smu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you so much! That is very helpful. I will definitely add the suggested title added entries.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again,<u></u><u></u></p>
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</b>Goojer, F.H. de (Frits)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Users' Group' <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Dear Mrs. Jones,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy New Year to you as well!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion this is not a “grammatically inseparable designation”. If so, I would expect: Primum vol. Felini Sandei Ferrariensis: juriscon. facile principis: in quinque libros Decretalium commentari<span style="color:red">orum
</span>eruditissim<span style="color:red">orum</span>: jam tandem maximis sudoribus vigiliisque emunctissime excus<span style="color:red">orum</span>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So a genitive case and not a nominative case. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However it might be recommended to add a variant title beginning with: Vol. primum-[tertium] and an other starting with: In quinque libros Decretalium commentaria eruditissima …<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Frits de Goojer, University Library Utrecht, Netherlands, EU<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jones, Angela<br>
<b>Sent:</b> donderdag 6 januari 2022 15:37<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, and Happy New Year!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am cataloging a multi-volume book in Latin, with the volume numbering immediately preceding the title. The title page for the first volume reads:
<i>Primum vol. Felini Sandei …</i>, and each title page in the set starts with the volume designation at the top of the page, in similar fashion. A picture of the volume 1 title page is attached.
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question is in regards to rule 1B4, and is mostly related to my skimpy knowledge of Latin. Would this be considered a “grammatically inseparable designation”, as defined by that rule? I know that would be the case if the volume designation
appeared at the end of the title, or somewhere within the title, and have seen many examples of those situations. But this is the first time I have run into a volume designation at the head of the title. And, since I have rather limited knowledge of the grammar
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did find the title in the USTC catalogue, and it does include the volume designators as part of the title. See
<a href="https://www.ustc.ac.uk/editions/854472" target="_blank">https://www.ustc.ac.uk/editions/854472</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you in advance for any help!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Angela <u></u><u></u></p>
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