<div dir="ltr">Hi Angela,<div><br></div><div>Sorry for asking about the running title, somehow I missed that you were referring to the top of the title pages, so I see my question was irrelevant! </div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise, I ask because it seems to me that the title proper is "Primum -[tertium] vol. Felini Sandei Ferrariensis: juriscon. facile principis" because I usually take the first nominative on a Latin title page to be the title proper.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span> The grammatically inseparable part is the genitive immediately following vol."; the relative positions of the genitive and the nominative are grammatically meaningless, so the same rule applies no matter where the genitive appears in the phrase. Titles comprising only the name of an author are not unheard of (see 1B3.3), so seeing moving from "Author" in nominative to "Volume of author" with "Volume" as the nominative and "Author" in genitive seems reasonable. I'm not sure that DCRMB 1B6 (Title proper with supplementary or section designation or title) applies here, since the author's name is such a prominent part of the phrase, although others may disagree. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jennifer</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:03 PM Jones, Angela <<a href="mailto:arjones@mail.smu.edu">arjones@mail.smu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jennifer,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am asking if the volume designations (<i>Primum [-tertium] vol</i>.) need to be included as part of the title proper. The running titles aren’t any help – they only have the title of the section.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Question about rule 1B4 and Latin title<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Angela, are these the words you are asking about, or the words directly following "vol."? How do the running titles read?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:26 AM Jones, Angela <<a href="mailto:arjones@mail.smu.edu" target="_blank">arjones@mail.smu.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you so much! That is very helpful. I will definitely add the suggested title added entries.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Goojer, F.H. de (Frits)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Dear Mrs. Jones,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion this is not a “grammatically inseparable designation”. If so, I would expect: Primum vol. Felini Sandei Ferrariensis: juriscon. facile principis: in quinque libros
Decretalium commentari<span style="color:red">orum </span>eruditissim<span style="color:red">orum</span>: jam tandem maximis sudoribus vigiliisque emunctissime excus<span style="color:red">orum</span>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So a genitive case and not a nominative case.
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<p class="MsoNormal">However it might be recommended to add a variant title beginning with: Vol. primum-[tertium] and an other starting with: In quinque libros Decretalium commentaria eruditissima …<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">Frits de Goojer, University Library Utrecht, Netherlands, EU</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jones, Angela<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, and Happy New Year!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am cataloging a multi-volume book in Latin, with the volume numbering immediately preceding the title. The title page for the first volume reads:
<i>Primum vol. Felini Sandei …</i>, and each title page in the set starts with the volume designation at the top of the page, in similar fashion. A picture of the volume 1 title page is attached.
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question is in regards to rule 1B4, and is mostly related to my skimpy knowledge of Latin. Would this be considered a “grammatically inseparable designation”, as defined by that
rule? I know that would be the case if the volume designation appeared at the end of the title, or somewhere within the title, and have seen many examples of those situations. But this is the first time I have run into a volume designation at the head of the
title. And, since I have rather limited knowledge of the grammar structure of Latin, I thought I would ask the list.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did find the title in the USTC catalogue, and it does include the volume designators as part of the title. See
<a href="https://www.ustc.ac.uk/editions/854472" target="_blank">https://www.ustc.ac.uk/editions/854472</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you in advance for any help!<u></u><u></u></p>
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