<div dir="ltr"><div>Too many interesting questions and not enough time to talk about them!</div><div><br></div>The short answer is that limited staff means it's always a trade-off! Currently, we mostly rely on the dates in the 008, the use of standard terminology in notes, and references in 510s so that information vetted and verified by a professional cataloger can be enhanced with additional access points later. <div><br></div><div>If a particular woodcut or set of woodcuts in a printed text were super-important, our Curator of Early Modern Books and Prints could ask us to create a separate record for the woodcuts following DCRM(G) Appendix K, and we'd bring in standard art historical vocabulary from AAT for Styles, Periods, and Regions. Artists and woodblocks moved around, so place of creation of the matrix, place of printing from the matrix, national origin of the artist versus national style the artist was trained in, etc. make it pretty complicated for MARC. </div><div><br></div><div>In general, I comfort myself with the thought that this will be <i>so </i>much more efficient with systems designed for linked data and WEMI structure that it's better to make sure what I've already got is clean and correct at the item level.</div><div><br></div><div>EB</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-226126785833848623_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">______________________<br></span></a><a name="m_-226126785833848623_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger
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<p class="MsoNormal">The place recorded in 752 (publication place) isn’t always the same as a place recorded in a 655 subdivision, though (for example, woodcuts might have been created in Germany whereas the book was printed/published in France)—do you have
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 11, 2022 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Subdividing Genre Terms<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, our records use 752 for place of publication (or production, in the case of manuscripts, drawings, etc.). Fully-cataloged records go to the city level. Preliminary records are periodically batch-updated to pull the place from the 008
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Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 |
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Erin Blake, PhD | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 |
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6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Evans<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Subdividing Genre Terms<u></u><u></u></p>
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