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<p class="MsoNormal">I have also noticed (and been irritated by) this, and until Randy pointed it out, I admit, I hadn’t seen the “entry” guidance buried far down in the instructions. It wouldn’t have occurred to me to add a caption not justified by the source.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What purpose could artificially adding the word “entry” possibly have?
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<p class="MsoNormal">The guidance says:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Include the term “entry” before the entry number only if needed or desired for clarity. Another term may be used if it seems more appropriate to the resource in question. A number standing alone is understood to indicate an entry.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This reads to me as though the use of the term, far from being required, is only reluctantly allowed (<i>only</i> if needed for clarity). I can hardly imagine a case where it is needed for clarity, especially given “A number standing alone
is understood to indicate an entry.” <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first example after this statement is<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Evans, C. American bibliography, entry 2046<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why is this thought to be clearer than<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Evans, C. American bibliography, 2046<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The “if needed or desired” clause guarantees inconsistency in recording these citation numbers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking from the point of view of the person who maintains these in BYU’s catalog, the addition of a caption that didn’t come from the source messes up our browse (numerical order) listing of the entries in our Citation index.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we shouldn’t be adding captions to citation numbers not supported by the source, and I think the “entry” paragraph should be removed from the document.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Randal S. BRANDT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 24, 2022 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] spotting a preface before subfield c in 510s<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nina,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is an option in the new SCF to use the word "entry". See Working Principles, Numeration, point B: <a href="https://rbms.info/scf/working-principles/">https://rbms.info/scf/working-principles/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I seem to remember that it was either required or strongly encouraged to include that term when SCF first came out. Clearly that stance has been softened since then. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Randy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 2:30 PM Schneider, Nina <<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Recently, I noticed that a few OCLC records coded DCRMB in the 040$e have the word “entry” immediately following the subfield c in the citation/reference note.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So, instead of this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">510 4_ English short title catalogue, ǂc S95920<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m seeing this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">510 4_ English short title catalogue, ǂc entry S95920<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Admittedly, I haven’t been following recent updates with BSC, but I did look at the MARC website at LC and they don’t prescribe the use of the word “entry” and there’s no mention
of its use on the RBMS Standard Citation Forms website.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Perhaps this preface is helpful to someone reading the MARC record, but it seems incorrect from a machine-readable point-of-view. Is there a new policy about adding “entry” to subfield
c?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nina<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nina Schneider (she/her)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Rare Books Librarian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Randal S. Brandt<o:p></o:p></p>
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