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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d use 500 for bindings common to an issue, 563 for bespoke bindings: 563 was devised as a copy-specific bindings note.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Would you use 563 for describing publishers' bindings? Or just bespoke bindings? For variant publishers' bindings my inclination would have been to describe the known variations in a 500 (e.g.
"... issued in red and blue variant colourways ...") with a local note describing which variant(s) we hold. I have wondered about using 563 for publishers' bindings, but found the guidance rather vague. I would be interested to hear what others are doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your advice on cataloging variant bindings. I am glad that you mentioned putting "different sizes on different records." The two items I was cataloging had examples of different sub-manifestations, but there were also other
related sub-manifestations that were of different sizes. Thank you for helping me to sort out the complexities that may arise from these variations in bindings. You answered the question that I wasn't quite sure how to ask!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:41 AM Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Although variant bindings would strictly speaking be considered different "issues," I concur with Madelene and Randal that it is best to catalog them
on the same record and make notes about differences. This is the approach taken by descriptive bibliographies, such as BAL. Either make a specific note about binding variants as is done on the OCLC record Randy mentions, or a general note that there are binding
variations, with specifics associated with particular copies. With 19c books increasingly cataloged according to rare material standards, and without definitive evidence from publishers' archives, you can't be sure you've got them all described.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">Back when work was being done on DCRM2, the editorial group struggled to fit what we called "sub-expressions" or "sub-manifestations" into the IFLA LRM.
It became less pressing with the new RDA toolkit and the decision to present DCRMR as a stand-alone manual. Still, it's an interesting question, how to represent sub-expressions/manifestations in a MARC bibliographic record.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">OTOH, I would put manifestations with different sizes on different records. There's a pretty big difference between 16 cm and 20 cm.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I agree with Madelene that you will most likely want to catalog all copies on the same bibliographic record. When publisher's binding variants are significant, I usually make a note describing the variants using a 500
note. However, I can see using a 563 for these types of notes, as well. If there is a published description of the variants, I will reference that description. Then, I use local notes to identify which of the variants is present in our copy(ies). To see an
example, look at OCLC# 2981235.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I have mostly encountered the need for these types of notes in records for 19th century American literature titles (Mark Twain, George Sterling, Walt Whitman, etc.). That seems to be a time period when publishers (in
the U.S. at least) were particularly fond of issuing books in a variety of bindings. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Randal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 12:45 PM Madelene Kinraid <<a href="mailto:madelene.kinraid@gmail.com" target="_blank">madelene.kinraid@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think keeping both/ all copies on the same record and recording the binding information in a 563 is perfect. You might need to assign copy numbers to differentiate, I would use a separate 563 to describe the binding of each copy. At our library I would add
the binding information in a 590 note, but that’s just our practice.<br>
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> On 24/04/2022, at 7:12 AM, Sarah Stanhope <<a href="mailto:sstanhop@gmail.com" target="_blank">sstanhop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I have a cataloging question that is hopefully not too obvious. I have come across this with mostly special collections items and am a bit unsure how to properly catalog these types of books.
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> When you have two books with completely different bindings and the text blocks are identical, would you add the binding information to a 563 and add both items on the same record?
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> Are there any other fields/notes that you commonly add or would suggest? I haven't really come across this scenario for items that have different dimensions. Other than the binding (sometimes quite different and more elaborate than the other), the text block
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> Please let me know if you have any suggestions or can point me in the right direction!<br>
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> My sincere thanks, <br>
> Sarah Stanhope<br>
> Hirsch Library<br>
> Museum of Fine Arts, Houston<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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