<div dir="ltr">I'll cast my vote for "unnumbered." The plates are referred to by number within the text because they appear in a definite order. The plates themselves do not bear numbers. <div><br></div><div>If you recorded the plate as being numbered, and I encountered that same plate on its own in a print collection with a dealer's note saying "Plate from... " I'd question the dealer's identification of the source because I'd expect the print in hand to have a number on it.</div><div><br></div><div>Erin</div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-2606131250311653739_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">______________________<br></span></a><a name="m_-2606131250311653739_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 1:35 PM Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" target="_blank">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">If the plates of a book do not bear numbering but they are paired with pages of letterpress (usually facing each plate) that refer to the plates by number, do you consider those plates numbered, transcribing
the numbering in the form that appears on the paired letterpress? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Justifying the “yes, those are numbered” argument, we could I suppose point to 5A2 to “Take information for this area from the publication itself” – i.e., its entirety, even if the plates proper are unnumbered.
In the “nope” camp, the plates proper do not present themselves as numbered. If we open the door to transcribing numbering from other than the letterpress/plate itself, could we also (following the same logic) transcribe numbering based on numbers in tables
of contents or indexes? That seems undesirable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:YaleNew">Francis Lapka</span><span style="font-family:YaleNew"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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