<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Just saw this thread - nothing to add about the collation, but surely the format can't be 16mo. Gathering in sixes suggests either 12mo or, less likely in view of the image, 18mo. The inserted gathering could of course be of a different format, perhaps 8vo? - it seems noticeably shorter than the surrounding leaves. Chain line and watermark evidence could be dispositive.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John Lancaster</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2022 Sep 16, at 10:06 AM, Jones, Angela <<a href="mailto:arjones@mail.smu.edu" class="">arjones@mail.smu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: BellMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Noah,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you very much for the reply. After I re-read my original email and then read your response, I realized that perhaps I wasn’t as clear as I should have been about the gathering that contained the inserted leaves. Here’s the sequence:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Leaves N1-N2 (corresponds to pages 145-148)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cancellation mark<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Inserted gathering of four (unsigned?) (pages 148 bis. to 149<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">octies</i>. I suspect that 149<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">octies</i>. Is a misprint and should be 148<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">octies</i>, since the page before is 148<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">septies</i>.)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Leaves N3-N6<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">However, as I keep looking at the gathering, I wonder if this situation might be more closely related to an inserted folded leaf, and perhaps what I am seeing isn’t really a cancellation? I’ve attached a picture that I took and captured the situation as best as I could.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also, I did notice that the first leaf of the inserted gathering has a star at the bottom. I confess that I didn’t really notice it initially. Then I looked at each of the four leaves and there is a similar single star on the third leaf; the second and fourth leaves are unsigned.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you again,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Angela<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Noah Sheola<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:12 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [DCRM-L] Question about inserted signature<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border: 1pt solid black; padding: 2pt; background-color: rgb(244, 234, 165); margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-right: 3.75pt; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 3.75pt; margin-left: 0in; background-color: rgb(244, 234, 165); border: none; padding: 0in; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><em class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">[EXTERNAL SENDER]</span></b></em><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15.546667098999023px;">Hi Angela,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15.546667098999023px;">From what you’re describing, I think the statement would be A-M<sup class="">6<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></sup>N<sup class="">6</sup>(N2+chi<sup class="">4</sup>). This however does not take into account the cancel. Which leaf do you believe is canceled? And are you saying this leaf was just removed, or removed and replaced?<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 15.546667098999023px;">- Noah<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 4:35 PM Jones, Angela <<a href="mailto:arjones@mail.smu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">arjones@mail.smu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’ve run into an interesting situation with a French book printed in 1782. The book is composed of various tables related to tariffs. The book is a 16mo and the signatures have gatherings of 6 leaves with the gatherings signed A-N.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The N gathering is the last one in the book and it is also in 6 leaves. However, between leaf N2 and N3 (pages 148-149) another gathering is inserted. This is a gathering of 4 leaves, completely unsigned. The pagination continues through this section in a modified fashion, with pages in the inserted gathering being numbered 148 bis., 148 ter., 148 quatr., etc. There is also a cancellation at the point of the inserted signature.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What would be the proper way to designate this in a signature statement? I’ve looked in Gaskell and on page 330 I see a reference to interpolations made inside gatherings, but to be honest I am not sure how to interpret the example that is given.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So I wonder if our best options are one of these two statements:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A-N<sup class="">6<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></sup><i class="">(with a note about the inserted signature either after the statement or in a note)</i><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">OR<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A-M<sup class="">6</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>N<sup class="">2</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>chi<sup class="">4</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>N3-N6<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Or maybe something else?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Any advice would be appreciated!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Angela<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Angela Jones<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Head of Technical Services<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Underwood Law Library, Dedman School of Law<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Southern Methodist University<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">P.O. 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