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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">The Gregorian calendar was adopted formally by official bodies (such as government and church) in 1752, but January 1 as the first day of the calendar year was in
common practice long before that. If the ESTC corrects the date in their record, follow their practice; they know something specific. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, take the date as given. (Date correction in ESTC record counts as evidence.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b>Jessie Sherwood via DCRM-L<br>
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<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jessie Sherwood <jcsherwood@law.berkeley.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Lady day date confusion<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 7:37 AM Erin Blake via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's even more complicated than that: Lady Day Dating and the Julian/Gregorian Calendar are two separate things. Here's how I explained the difference to myself, which later went into a Folger blog post:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s especially important for researchers working with British documents to remember that Lady Day dating (affecting year numbering every 1 January through 24 March) and the Julian calendar (affecting day numbering year round) are separate
because they were not modernized at the same time. Scotland officially dropped Lady Day dating after 31 December 1599, which was followed by 1 January 1600, but continued to use the Julian calendar until Wednesday 2 September 1752, which was followed by Thursday
14 September 1752. England and Wales also switched from the Julian calendar in September 1752, but had already modernized year numbering the previous January (31 December 1751 was followed by 1 January 1752).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See <a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/5_M5CpYoyni2BQnhPt7J4?domain=folger.edu/" target="_blank">https://www.folger.edu/blogs/collation/untangling-dating/</a> for the whole post.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Short version: if you've got an English imprint with an exact day and year, and the day was within 1 January and 24 March, and the year was 1751 or earlier, add one to the year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a name="m_-3309026292472476327_m_-74177321483635">Erin Blake, Ph.D. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E. Capitol St. SE, Washington, DC, 20003 |
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records have noted that Lady day dating has been used, while entries that exist in Wing take the date as given. I have not dealt with Lady day dating to this point, so I’m wondering if I should assume that it applies to everything printed before the region
of origin adopted the Gregorian calendar or only take it into account when specified in a union list or some other reference source? At this point I can’t tell if I am overthinking or what and I would be glad for clarification on this. Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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