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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">I stand corrected. I also note that it is a modern book, which is not my area of expertise. Is the original poster looking for a term to identify the location of that
information in a note? If so, and if it were me, I would not call it a colophon but rather be explicit about its location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tint, Deborah <DTint@bklynlibrary.org> <br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: To be or not to be a colophon...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Getty AAT does allow the term colophon for these statements occurring at the beginning of the book, but that is down towards the end of the 'scope note.'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">I have to disagree. Placement at the end of the text is the basic requirement for a colophon. If you try to call that a colophon in your catalog record, people will
be expecting to find it at the end. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#2E74B5">______________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Good morning</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Following my experience with Russian and Ukrainian titles (20<sup>th</sup> century), this sort of layout with an “ante-colophon” is not that uncommon – the books tend to have the table of contents at the back following
the European tradition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I read, speak and write Russian, so my Czech is
<u>only an estimation</u>; but the publication data you have reads like and old-time “explicit,” which in my opinion, qualifies it as a colophon. It says, (para.) “This book was [issued, published] on the 20<sup>th</sup> day, [of June, I believe] 1937 …” which
is a publication statement. Should you call it a colophon? Probably not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">The “page facing title page” you propose is something I have used, or “printer’s statement.” I have used “first printed page” for fine print materials, as well (assuming it is).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Printer’s statements typically do give the type of paper, font used (Bodoni),
<i>etc.</i> and the printer’s name (Československá grafická Unie). Here it also gives the publisher: “V… Z…” I’m not sure what Carter says about printer’s statement though.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I hope this helps a little.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Steve Clement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">National Library of New Zealand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Rare Books and Fine Print Cataloguer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">=========== For what it’s worth ===========</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I see the Czech National Library views things this way too:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Země na severu / Adolf Chaloupka</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Jazyk: Czech</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Autoři: Chaloupka, Adolf, 1895-1973</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Informace o publikaci:
<span style="color:black;background:yellow">Praha : Vladimír Zikeš, 1937 (Československá grafická Unie)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Datum publikování: 1937</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Fyzický popis: 42 s. : [XVI] obr. příl. ; 8°</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Typ publikace: Book</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Typ dokumentu: Book</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Poznámky: V úpravě prof. Josefa Solara</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Obrazovou část podle 16 fotografií autorových provedl heliogravurou atelier Arta</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Bibliofilie Cenná vazba</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">OCLC: 85574405</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Systémové číslo: ncr.000747054</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Databáze: Katalog Národní knihovny ČR / Catalogue of the National Library CR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Steven Clement
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Foster, Samantha Joy via DCRM-L<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Foster, Samantha Joy <<a href="mailto:samafost@iu.edu">samafost@iu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hello cataloging crew,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I have in hand a 1937 Czech book (image attached) with colophon-esque information facing the title page. Can this still be considered a colophon even though it’s not at the back of the book?
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<p class="xmsonormal">I’ve already consulted Carter, which emphasizes the placement as an essential feature…and yet this page seems to have all the trappings of a colophon: date, printer, number and process of illustrations, etc. If not a colophon, what else
would this be called? Just “page facing title page”?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Any insight and/or opinions would be most welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thank you all!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Samantha Foster<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">ALF Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Phone: (812) 855-3136<o:p></o:p></p>
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