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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you all for your input! These are the same concerns we were debating here, but now with more sources.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We’re quoting some of the information in a 500 note, so the debate is how to cite the source of that quote. What we’ve decided to use in the record is “colophon facing title page,” so that it appropriately identifies the type of statement
it is, but also does not mislead the user as to the location of the statement. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">I stand corrected. I also note that it is a modern book, which is not my area of expertise. Is the original poster looking for a term to identify the location of that
information in a note? If so, and if it were me, I would not call it a colophon but rather be explicit about its location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tint, Deborah <<a href="mailto:DTint@bklynlibrary.org">DTint@bklynlibrary.org</a>>
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<b>Cc:</b> Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@FOLGER.edu">DJLeslie@FOLGER.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: To be or not to be a colophon...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Getty AAT does allow the term colophon for these statements occurring at the beginning of the book, but that is down towards the end of the 'scope note.'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> on behalf of Deborah J. Leslie via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#1F497D">I have to disagree. Placement at the end of the text is the basic requirement for a colophon. If you try to call that a colophon in your catalog record, people will
be expecting to find it at the end. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven Clement via DCRM-L<br>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Good morning</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Following my experience with Russian and Ukrainian titles (20<sup>th</sup> century), this sort of layout with an “ante-colophon” is not that uncommon – the books tend to have the table of contents at the back following
the European tradition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I read, speak and write Russian, so my Czech is
<u>only an estimation</u>; but the publication data you have reads like and old-time “explicit,” which in my opinion, qualifies it as a colophon. It says, (para.) “This book was [issued, published] on the 20<sup>th</sup> day, [of June, I believe] 1937 …” which
is a publication statement. Should you call it a colophon? Probably not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">The “page facing title page” you propose is something I have used, or “printer’s statement.” I have used “first printed page” for fine print materials, as well (assuming it is).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Printer’s statements typically do give the type of paper, font used (Bodoni),
<i>etc.</i> and the printer’s name (Československá grafická Unie). Here it also gives the publisher: “V… Z…” I’m not sure what Carter says about printer’s statement though.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I hope this helps a little.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Steve Clement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">National Library of New Zealand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">Rare Books and Fine Print Cataloguer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">=========== For what it’s worth ===========</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ">I see the Czech National Library views things this way too:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Země na severu / Adolf Chaloupka</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Jazyk: Czech</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Autoři: Chaloupka, Adolf, 1895-1973</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Informace o publikaci:
<span style="color:black;background:yellow">Praha : Vladimír Zikeš, 1937 (Československá grafická Unie)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Datum publikování: 1937</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Fyzický popis: 42 s. : [XVI] obr. příl. ; 8°</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Typ publikace: Book</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Typ dokumentu: Book</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Poznámky: V úpravě prof. Josefa Solara</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Obrazovou část podle 16 fotografií autorových provedl heliogravurou atelier Arta</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Bibliofilie Cenná vazba</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">OCLC: 85574405</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Systémové číslo: ncr.000747054</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt">Databáze: Katalog Národní knihovny ČR / Catalogue of the National Library CR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Steven Clement
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Foster, Samantha Joy via DCRM-L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2023 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Foster, Samantha Joy <<a href="mailto:samafost@iu.edu">samafost@iu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] To be or not to be a colophon...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hello cataloging crew,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I have in hand a 1937 Czech book (image attached) with colophon-esque information facing the title page. Can this still be considered a colophon even though it’s not at the back of the book?
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<p class="xmsonormal">I’ve already consulted Carter, which emphasizes the placement as an essential feature…and yet this page seems to have all the trappings of a colophon: date, printer, number and process of illustrations, etc. If not a colophon, what else
would this be called? Just “page facing title page”?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Any insight and/or opinions would be most welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Thank you all!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Samantha Foster<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">ALF Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p>
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