<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">AMREMM, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colophon_(publishing)">Wikipedia,</a> and <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/colophon">Wiktionary</a> do as well.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 6:10 AM Tint, Deborah via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6068581713047484051">
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Getty AAT does allow the term colophon for these statements occurring at the beginning of the book, but that is down towards the end of the 'scope note.'</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have to disagree. Placement at the end of the text is the basic requirement for a colophon. If you try to call that a colophon in your catalog record, people
will be expecting to find it at the end. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:rgb(46,116,181)">Deborah J Leslie
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M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Good morning</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Following my experience with Russian and Ukrainian titles (20<sup>th</sup> century), this sort of layout with an “ante-colophon” is not that uncommon – the books tend to have the table of contents at the back following
the European tradition.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">I read, speak and write Russian, so my Czech is
<u>only an estimation</u>; but the publication data you have reads like and old-time “explicit,” which in my opinion, qualifies it as a colophon. It says, (para.) “This book was [issued, published] on the 20<sup>th</sup> day, [of June, I believe] 1937 …” which
is a publication statement. Should you call it a colophon? Probably not.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">The “page facing title page” you propose is something I have used, or “printer’s statement.” I have used “first printed page” for fine print materials, as well (assuming it is).</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Printer’s statements typically do give the type of paper, font used (Bodoni),
<i>etc.</i> and the printer’s name (Československá grafická Unie). Here it also gives the publisher: “V… Z…” I’m not sure what Carter says about printer’s statement though.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">I hope this helps a little.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Regards</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Steve Clement</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ">National Library of New Zealand</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Rare Books and Fine Print Cataloguer</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">=========== For what it’s worth ===========</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ">I see the Czech National Library views things this way too:</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ"><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/rV6dCXDX8PHYr99S6jjxC?domain=eds.s.ebscohost.com" target="_blank">https://eds.s.ebscohost.com/eds/detail/detail?vid=2&sid=03938e2e-e6ce-419b-8fee-f5a8abd0dfe2%40redis&bdata=Jmxhbmc9Y3M%3d#AN=ncr.000747054&db=cat05608a</a></span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Země na severu / Adolf Chaloupka</span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Jazyk: Czech</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Autoři: Chaloupka, Adolf, 1895-1973</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Informace o publikaci:
<span style="background:yellow">Praha : Vladimír Zikeš, 1937 (Československá grafická Unie)</span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Datum publikování: 1937</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Fyzický popis: 42 s. : [XVI] obr. příl. ; 8°</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Typ publikace: Book</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">OCLC: 85574405</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Systémové číslo: ncr.000747054</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:10pt">Databáze: Katalog Národní knihovny ČR / Catalogue of the National Library CR</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Regards</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-NZ">Steve Clement</span></p>
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<p>Hello cataloging crew,</p>
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<p>I have in hand a 1937 Czech book (image attached) with colophon-esque information facing the title page. Can this still be considered a colophon even though it’s not at the back of the book?
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<p>I’ve already consulted Carter, which emphasizes the placement as an essential feature…and yet this page seems to have all the trappings of a colophon: date, printer, number and process of illustrations, etc. If not a colophon, what else
would this be called? Just “page facing title page”?</p>
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<p>Any insight and/or opinions would be most welcome.</p>
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<p>Thank you all!</p>
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<p>Samantha Foster<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p>
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</div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Jessie Sherwood<br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Associate Librarian<br></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">The Robbins Collection and Research Center<br></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">University of California Berkeley, School of Law<br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Tel: 510.643.1236<br></span></div></div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif"><a href="mailto:jcsherwood@law.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">jcsherwood@law.berkeley.edu</a></span><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>