<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style>
</head>
<body dir="ltr">
<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Dunno, Angela; I'd think trying to extract your holdings from the web would be ... inefficient, to say the least </div>
<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div id="Signature">
<p><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(46, 116, 181);">______________________</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(46, 116, 181);">Deborah J Leslie
</span><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><img width="10" height="10" style="width: 10px; height: 10px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" data-outlook-trace="F:1|T:1" src="cid:b78941dc-a035-4ed5-9cc2-2b2c382ce6e0"></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(46, 116, 181);">,
M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu" id="OWAa0823777-5b0a-d63b-33b0-93862957a079" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(46, 116, 181); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
djleslie@folger.edu</a> | Opinions her own</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span></p>
</div>
<div id="appendonsend"></div>
<div style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
</div>
<hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;">
<div dir="ltr" id="divRplyFwdMsg"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> on behalf of Angela R Cope via DCRM-L <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2024 11:19<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Angela R Cope <acope@uwm.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] OCLC cataloging subscription</span>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
This is such an interesting topic. I catalog with OCLC/Connexion but we had to get rid of the subscription portion that shows our holdings in worldcat. With that being said, any original records my institution does still show up and if you dig far enough, you'll
find our holdings and of course, for ILL our holdings are still accessible.</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
But, another thing to think about is if you're putting your special collections into a digital portal that is searchable via google, well, just catalog that and skip the traditional catalog. That's a somewhat radical idea but I mean, why not. Continue to use
controlled vocabulary and cataloging/metadata standards but skip the catalog all together. </div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Food for thought.</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Angie Cope </span></div>
<div id="x_Signature">
<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" dir="ltr" id="x_divtagdefaultwrapper">
<div style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">AGS Library, UW Milwaukee Libraries</span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">2311 E. Hartford Avenue</span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211</span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: "Courier New", monospace;"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/eUnPC31rL3tnPnQIgdYd1?domain=uwm.edu/" id="OWAbd291030-2b21-663a-dd2a-87fb37eb37b0" class="x_OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-loopstyle="linkonly">http://uwm.edu/libraries/agsl/</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">M-F 8:00am-4:30pm acope@uwm.edu </span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> Personal phone: (414) 251-7608 </span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">AGSL phone: (414)229-6282 </span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">43°03'8"N 87°57'21"W</span></div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; color: rgb(117, 123, 128);"><b> </b></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="x_appendonsend"></div>
<hr style="direction: ltr; display: inline-block; width: 98%;">
<div dir="ltr" id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> on behalf of Dobbs, Zoe via DCRM-L <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2024 10:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dobbs, Zoe <zoe.dobbs@yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] OCLC cataloging subscription</span>
<div> </div>
</div>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Hi Jennifer (and all),</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Although I’m not a great lover of OCLC I’m not very familiar with the alternatives, so in general I can't conceive of cataloging anything without OCLC, much less special collections. I'm thinking specifically about the "database of records held by other libraries"
aspect, and others can enlighten me about other viable options since I’m still relatively new to the profession. I imagine that finding specific editions/states/printings/etc., depending on how you catalog, would require both a well-populated database and
robust search functionality – and even OCLC’s could be better (looking at you 510 fields). In terms of record creation and editing, OCLC products are far superior to Alma at least from what I’ve heard (we haven’t migrated to Alma yet). Even Voyager cannot
easily support the creation of records with non-Roman scripts that require paired fields, which is why we currently catalog those in Connexion.</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Unrelated to the actual functionality of OCLC vs. others, I think one also needs to consider not only the cost of any alternative, but also the cost of staff training on that alternative and the cost of low morale or staff defections that might result from
cancelling your OCLC subscription. Those are also real costs that need to be borne when undertaking any major change such as this.</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Zoe</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
--</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<b>Zoe Dobbs</b></p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
she/her/hers</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Catalog/Metadata Librarian</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Yale University Library</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><a href="mailto:zoe.dobbs@yale.edu" id="OWA17a1b2ca-5a68-62cd-fd9c-7e837ef62b5c" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">zoe.dobbs@yale.edu</a></span> |
203.432.5098</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<div style="padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(225, 225, 225);">
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<b>From:</b> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine DeZelar-Tiedman via DCRM-L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2024 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Christine DeZelar-Tiedman <dezel002@umn.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] OCLC cataloging subscription</p>
</div>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
I answered more generally on the Alma list, but in terms of special collections cataloging, I can't imagine trying to do that in Alma. In particular, searching for records with Alma's very limited external search options would be a nightmare. The availability
of macros, and the methodology for entering special characters and diacritics, is also much more robust and efficient in OCLC Connexion.</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:07 AM MacDonald, Jennifer via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" id="OWAf8a43ab6-2b63-f940-4cd1-6ff61ee38145" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 4.8pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; border-left: 1pt solid rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Dear colleagues, </span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> </span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Like many institutions, we are going through budget cuts. My administration is considering cancelling our OCLC cataloging subscription. Is anyone at an institution that did this, or
contemplated doing it? Was your subscription kept or not, and what was the reasoning behind the decision? What tools or platforms did you use, or consider using, instead of OCLC? Were the needs of special collections cataloging taken into account? If it was
cancelled, what kind of fallout did your institution experience? I'm particularly interested in outcomes for special collections cataloging, but general cataloging would help as well. On- or off-list responses are welcome.</span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Jennifer</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> </span></p>
<div id="x_x_m_-54712038693027253Signature">
<table style="width: 100%; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px; box-sizing: border-box;">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 97.5pt;">
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: greycliff-light, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><img alt="University of Delaware" id="x_x__x0000_i1025" width="129" height="54" style="width: 1.3541in; height: 0.5729in; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" src="http://www.udel.edu/ocm/signature/images/ud-logo-sml.png"></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </p>
<table style="width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px;">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 100%;">
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11.5pt; color: rgb(0, 83, 159);"><b>Jennifer MacDonald</b></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">(She/her)</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);"><i>Librarian and Head, Cataloging and Metadata Department</i></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);">UD Library, Museums and Press</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);">181 South College Avenue, Newark, DE 19717</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);">University of Delaware</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);">Room 113B</span><span style="font-family: greycliff-light, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 206, 37);"> |
</span><span style="font-family: greycliff-light, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(10, 10, 10);">302-831-1512</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;"><a href="mailto:jsmacdon@udel.edu" id="OWA166f2d00-3f1d-3a6a-4396-38bf0ef63099" style="color: black; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">jsmacdon@udel.edu</a></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> </span></p>
</div>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
--------------------<br>
You have received this message because you are a subscriber to the DCRM-L discussion list.<br>
<br>
You can change the email associated with your subscription, the method that you receive DCRM-L posts, unsubscribe, and other settings by logging into your subscription at
<a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/ZOX1C4xvM2tXnX1txiIm7?domain=listserver.lib.byu.edu" id="OWA70e1ec05-2731-9c75-8386-4ded7c17baab" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="VerificationFailed" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/mailman/listinfo/dcrm-l</a>.<br>
<br>
Alternately, to unsubscribe from this list send a message to <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-leave@lib.byu.edu" id="OWAf614da88-5d9d-e48e-e3d1-7c208b7b0b08" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
dcrm-l-leave@lib.byu.edu</a>. You will receive an email requesting confirmation of your request.</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<br>
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
--</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
--</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Christine DeZelar-Tiedman </p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
Cataloging Policies and Practices Librarian | Cataloging, Metadata, & Digitization Services | University of Minnesota Libraries<br>
160 Wilson Library | 309 19th Ave. S. | Minneapolis, MN 55455 </p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<a href="mailto:dezel002@umn.edu" id="OWA68b48b07-3261-5818-05f2-57ca51a73239" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">dezel002@umn.edu</a> </p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
she, her, hers</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">
<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
</body>
</html>