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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, this was an LCRI written by Bibliographic Standards Committee.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Robert L. Maxwell</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">6728 Harold B. Lee Library</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Brigham Young University</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Provo, UT 84602</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">(801)422-5568</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James,Kate via DCRM-L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 9, 2024 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> James,Kate <jamesk@oclc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] [EXTERNAL] printers' widows<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Francis,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One difference is that the names like “Cowie, Harrison Lee, Mrs.” fall under 9.2.2.9, but the printer’s widows form like “Vidua Christophori Ruremundensis” are considered phrase
names (9.2.2.24). The choosing and recording instructions for personal names in RDA were always kind of a mess. RDA 9.2.2.3 Choosing Preferred Name for Person says, “When a person is known by more than one name, see additional instructions on choosing a preferred
name at <a href="https://original.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp9&target=rda9-1771#rda9-1771"><b>9.2.2.6</b><b><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="31" height="13" style="width:.3229in;height:.1354in" id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image001.png@01DB1A46.0F381C50"></span></b></a>–<a href="https://original.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp9&target=rda9-1870#rda9-1870"><b>9.2.2.8</b><b><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="31" height="13" style="width:.3229in;height:.1354in" id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.png@01DB1A46.0F381C50"></span></b></a>.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">9.2.2.6 suggests that we would record the phrase as the preferred name since it appears most frequently in manifestations associated with that person, but that’s not necessarily
what we do as you pointed out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So, I think it comes from AACR2/LCRI when we had different rules for people that were authors, composers, etc. and other people. I also think it comes from a strong but often
unexpressed preference for using a “real” name over a phrase, especially for pre-20th century people, and especially for women. That printer’s widow LC-PCC PS came from the LCRIs, and I’m certain that it was in the LCRIs because of request from RBMS. That
would have been before my time, but I would say it’s a good guess on my part.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis via DCRM-L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 8, 2024 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lapka, Francis <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [DCRM-L] printerss' widows<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear list colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I’ve recently reacquainted myself with guidance on authorized access points for printers’ widows, in LC-PCC PS 9.19.1.1:
<a href="http://original.rdatoolkit.org/lcpschp9_lcps9-196.html">http://original.rdatoolkit.org/lcpschp9_lcps9-196.html</a>. The same guidance (and some confusion therein) was the topic of a discussion on this list in 2013:
<a href="https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2013-September/thread.html#3234">
https://listserver.lib.byu.edu/pipermail/dcrm-l/2013-September/thread.html#3234</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If a printer’s widow is identified in manifestations as “widow of” but her personal name is known, her personal name is used as the preferred name, as in these examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Verseyl, Elizabeth, -1726:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/no2012043138">https://lccn.loc.gov/no2012043138</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Orwin, Joan, active 1593-1597:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/nr98019565">https://lccn.loc.gov/nr98019565</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cussac, Anne-Eìlisabeth, active 1816-1825?:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/no2013116120">https://lccn.loc.gov/no2013116120</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If I’ve understood application correctly – and perhaps I haven’t – this outcome is different than other cases where a woman is identified in manifestations in the form by (or
about) <i>Mrs. Husband’s Name,</i> and the name as it appears in manifestation(s) is used as the preferred name, as in these examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cowie, Harrison Lee, Mrs., 1860-1950:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/no2015128982">https://lccn.loc.gov/no2015128982</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cupples, George, Mrs., 1839-1898:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/n90672060">https://lccn.loc.gov/n90672060</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ames, Ernest, Mrs., 1853-1929:
<a href="https://lccn.loc.gov/no2015054850">https://lccn.loc.gov/no2015054850</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is this an inconsistency? That is, why isn’t something like “Orwin, Widdow, active 1593-1597” the preferred name? If it is inconsistent, what is the principle behind it? As
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I appreciate your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:YaleNew">Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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