<div dir="ltr">I understand the appeal of differentiating between the two styles of ¶ (also called the pilcrow), but, if I may offer a contrary view, does this not run afoul of the general guidance to not distinguish between typefaces, for instance italic, blackletter, small capitals, etc.?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:49 AM Jennifer Dunlap via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">
<div>Thank you Stefan and Deborah for weighing in. I like the idea of
differentiating the style of the two pars. within the square
brackets and using pi for the first gathering renders the need for a
note moot. I wonder if it might be worth adding some best
practices/examples to DCRM(R) for situations where a clear distinction
is made in the signing by deliberate use of a different type. Thanks
again for the assist! <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best, <br></div><div>Jennifer</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Jennifer Dunlap</div><div>Rare Materials Cataloguer</div><div>John Carter Brown Library</div><div>Providence, Rhode Island</div><div><a href="mailto:jennifer_dunlap@brown.edu" target="_blank">jennifer_dunlap@brown.edu</a></div>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 5:54 PM Deborah J. Leslie via DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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I like Stefan's suggestion, with one quibble—the fact that there's an pi<sup>4</sup> in the signature statement means that there's an initial unsigned gathering of four leaves, making the explanation redundant. </div>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">Hello Jennifer, </span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">As a newcomer to this list and from my own experience with this topic (<a href="https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/x/HYD_Cw" target="_blank">https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/x/HYD_Cw</a>), I would make a distinction
in the designation between the second and third gathering and label the first gathering as unsigned.
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">The formula would look like this:
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">pi⁴ 2[par. curled]⁴ 2[par. straight]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">So far, I have only treated this case hypothetically (<a href="https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/download/attachments/201228317/Lagensignaturen_Vertiefung.pdf" target="_blank">https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/download/attachments/201228317/Lagensignaturen_Vertiefung.pdf</a>).
Do you have exact title details, or a link to an existing digital copy? </span></p>
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<p><span>Best, </span></p>
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<p><b>Von:</b> DCRM-L <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">I'm hoping the collective wisdom of the list can point me in the right direction of how best to render the signatures for the preliminary gatherings of the item I'm cataloging. The first
gathering is unsigned; gathering 2 signed </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">❡</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">
</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">❡</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"> (paragraph mark with curled tail) and gathering 3, with
</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">¶</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">
</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">¶</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"> (paragraph mark with straight tail). I'm inclined to render the inferred par. as [[par.]], with a note that it is unsigned
for clarity, and the third gathering as ²2[par.]:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Signatures: [[par.]]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Alternatively, I could simply omit the second set of brackets and retain the unsigned note.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Signatures: [par.]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Since the type used for the [par.] signs for the second and third gathering are different I don't feel comfortable rendering the third gathering as 3[par.] with a missigned note. How
have others dealt with similar situations? </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Thanks in advance!
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<p><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Best, </span></p>
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