[DCRM-L] DACS forthcoming on Catalogers' Desktop
Robert Maxwell
robert_maxwell at byu.edu
Mon May 16 16:38:25 MDT 2005
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: DACS forthcoming on Catalogers' Desktop
>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:00:34 -0700
>From: Jackie Dooley <jmdooley at lib.uci.edu>
>To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>CC: Brinati, Teresa <tbrinati at archivists.org>, Kiesling, Kris
><kiesling at mail.utexas.edu>
>References:
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>
>Richard Noble asks a good question, and here's an update: SAA is
actively
>working with LC to add DACS to the Catalogers' Desktop within the next
>couple of months, which means it should be on the Desktop within about
a
>year of print publication in August 2004. Teresa Brinati, the Society's
>excellent Director of Publishing <tbrinati at archivists.org>, is always
more
>than willing to answer questions about such issues.
>
>SAA has not withheld DACS from the Desktop in order to "pump up sales
of
>the print version", but what if they had? SAA is an relatively small
>independent not-for-profit society running on a very tight budget which
>depends on offerings such as continuing education workshops and
>publications in order to meet its budgetary bottom line. They also
>recognize the importance of promulgating standards as actively as
>possible; hence, for example, the speedy online versions of EAD and its
>associated guidelines. The relatively skimpy licensing fee that SAA
will
>accrue from LC for putting DACS on the Desktop won't begin to equal the
>income that the Society would earn if all libraries were to instead
>purchase one or more copies of the paper version. (RBMS hasn't ever had
to
>think in such terms, given that we aren't in the position of having to
>meet a bottom line.)
>
>Richard, you got my hackles up a bit in suggesting that you'll scorn
SAA's
>new standard until they "get their act together" and put it on the
>Desktop. What kind of commitment to standards is that? :) Regardless,
>their act is pretty impressive, in my view.
>
>As for the RBMS thesauri, the technical issues are a bit of a
smokescreen:
>we could slap those babies up in PDF at any moment, and they would be
just
>as functional as they are on paper (more so, in fact, since PDFs are
>searchable). But of course we would have to get our act together to ask
>ACRL for permission.
>
>-Jackie Dooley
>
>P.S. Just fyi, the link from the RBMS Thesauri web page to ACRL
>publication sales is broken, as is the link to the Bib Standards
Committee
>home page.
>
>P.P.S. And when **is** DCRM going to be published? :)
>
>On 5/11/2005 6:36 AM, Noble, Richard wrote:
>
>>"DA:CS" would be a perfect nuisance in the electronic environment,
which
>>favors unambiguous (and intuitive) search strings. You have to search
for
>>"dacs or 'da:cs'" (and in many systems add "or 'da cs'") to get at it,
>>and you have to know that going in. On the other hand, "DACS" is also
>>what one generally sees on the SAA website (e.g. in the titles of
their
>>upcoming workshops), so we can hope it's a non-issue. I sure hope so.*
>>
>>More important than that is whether DACS, or whatever, will be made
>>available sooner than later via Cataloger's Desktop. The SAA site
>>contains only one reference to this possibility, in the minutes of the
>>Technical Subcommittee on Descriptive Standards at SAA annual last
August
>>
>>http://www.archivists.org/saagroups/tsds/2004_tsds_minutes.pdf
>>
>>"There are also tentative plans to publish an HTML and Cataloger's
>>Desktop CD-ROM version (although there are some licensing and royalty
>>issues to work out). ... DA:CS [alas] is in the process of being
approved
>>by SAA Council; institutions are encouraged to use 'dacs' [N.B.--this
is
>>how people will think of it] in the MARC 040 $e as soon as they
implement
>>DA:CS (i.e. don't use 'appm')."
>>
>>In the meantime, I'm inclined to stall on implementation until SAA get
>>their act together: this is something they should have anticipated and
>>dealt with long before they up and withdrew Hensen from CD, unless
>>they're simply trying to pump up sales of the print version. Do I
share
>>this feeling with others in the "cataloging community"? (This is a
>>different case from that of the ACRL/RBMS thesauri, which were
published
>>long before we became so dependent on online documentation, and also
>>involve technical issues, not just licensing and royalties.)
>>
>>*Search results on the SAA website (11 May 2005): "dacs" - 23
documents;
>>"da cs" - nil; "da:cs" - 3 documents (TSDS agenda, minutes, and annual
>>report; thus you need to know about "da:cs" in order to find these key
>>documents, though it happens that the minutes are retrieved via "dacs"
>>because of reference to the 040 $e siglum)
>>
>>RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY
>>PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 :
RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcrm-l-admin at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-admin at lib.byu.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:56 PM
>> To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Fwd: Re: DACS and APPM
>>
>> What I find most interesting about this post is that the SAA
>> president uses "DACS" while our SAA liaison pro tempore told us
>> specifically that it was "DA:CS."
>>
>> _________________________________
>> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>> Head of Cataloging
>> Folger Shakespeare Library
>> djleslie at folger.edu <mailto:djleslie at folger.edu>
>> http://www.folger.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcrm-l-admin at lib.byu.edu
>> [mailto:dcrm-l-admin at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Brandt
>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 May, 2005 17:06
>> To: dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>> Subject: [DCRM-L] Fwd: Re: DACS and APPM
>>
>> FYI
>>
>>> X-Sender: jrosario at library.berkeley.edu
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>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:29:23 -0700
>>> To: proctalk at library.berkeley.edu
>>> From: Jane Rosario <jrosario at library.berkeley.edu>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: DACS and APPM
>>> Cc: Randal Brandt <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>
>>>
>>> The SAA President himself has spoken . . . .
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:00:20 -0700
>>>> Reply-To: Randall Jimerson <Randall.Jimerson at WWU.EDU>
>>>> Sender: Archives & Archivists
<ARCHIVES at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
>>>> From: Randall Jimerson <Randall.Jimerson at WWU.EDU>
>>>> Subject: Re: DACS and APPM
>>>> Comments: To: sarlic at MSNOTES.WUSTL.EDU
>>>> To: ARCHIVES at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
>>>>
>>>> Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As an official SAA standard, DACS has already replaced
APPM.
>>>> Council voted in February to approve DACS as the
>>>> professional standard for archival descriptive content.
Each
>>>> archival repository should begin the transition to the new
>>>> guidelines as soon as feasible. Compliance with the new
>>>> standard is, of course voluntary, and there will be no
>>>> archival cataloging police to enforce it. Those
repositories
>>>> participating in network systems or utilities such as OCLC
>>>> or RLIN should seek guidance from the network
administrators.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rand Jimerson
>>>>
>>>> SAA President
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Archives & Archivists
>>>> [mailto:ARCHIVES at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sarli
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:19 AM
>>>> To: ARCHIVES at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
>>>> Subject: DACS and APPM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When is DACS scheduled to replace APPM? Is there a firm
date
>>>> for transition to DACS?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Cathy Sarli
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> __________________________
>>> Randal Brandt
>>> Principal Cataloger
>>> The Bancroft Library
>>> (510) 643-2886
>>> rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu
>>> http://bancroft.berkeley.edu
>>> <http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/>
>
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>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, Univ. of California, Irvine, CA
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>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, Univ. of California, Irvine, CA
92623-9557
> Internet: jmdooley at uci.edu Phone: 949/824-4935 Fax: 949/824-2472
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