[DCRM-L] Citing CERL in bib record

[Schneider, Nina]

I will, as soon as I'm NACO-trained. (Classes begin next week).

 

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I would not make a note for this in the bibliographic record at all.
Rather I would put this information in the authority record since it has
to do with the identity of the person. Having done that, if I really
wanted to be more informative to the patron, I would simply make the
statement in a 500 note without citing anything. (But the reason I would
put this information in the authority record only and not put it in the
bibliographic record is to avoid putting the note in EVERY bib record
having to do with Alitephe. That's why we have the authority system in
place.)

I don't understand how CERL claims it is citing LCNAF for the
attribution, by the way, since the information doesn't appear to me to
be in the LC/NACO authority file. Whatever you do, I hope you'll update
the authority record for this person :-)

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Head, Special Collections and Metadata Catalog Dept.
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

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Here are the details:

I'm working on "Le Vrai Patriote. Dissertation Philosophique et
Politique, Par M. Alitephe, Citoyen Francais." It's dated 1789, with no
place or publisher.

There is a record for the microfilm in OCLC (#79900426) and it's
attributed to Francois Marie Puthod,(1757-1820). This is the same
attribution given by the knowledgeable bookseller from whom we bought
it. However, the Bibliotheque National attributes it to
Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod (1753-1793). They have more than one edition.



This is when I checked CERL and found that M. Alitephe is cross
referenced to Francois Marie Puthod. The source is LCNAF.

So, what I'd like to do is

500    Alitephe is the pseudonym of Francois Marie Puthod. Cf. CERL
510 4  CERL $ccnp00443253

I could also modify my 500 note:

500      Attributed to Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod. Cf. BN; Alitephe is
the pseudonym of Francois Marie Puthod. Cf. CERL 700 1  Puthod, Fra....
700 1  Putod, Hip...



Francois Marie Puthod is in the LCNAF, Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod is not.
The pseudonym Alitephe is not cross-referenced in LC, only in CERL.

Unfortunately, this book is not in Barbier, Cioranescu, or Querard.





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This is an interesting question, Nina. What kind of information are you
using from a CERL record for your own record?

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I wouldn't cite the CERL database in this way at all. It isn't a
bibliography but a conglomeration of records from various sources of
varying degrees of accuracy. If I had to, I would rather be inclined to
cite the library from which the record came, informally, in a 500 note.
Something along the lines of: "By Maria Madeitupovic, according to the
catalogue of the Molvanian National Library". But this would only be as
a last resort if I couldn't find the work in an authoritative (and
readily citable) source.

William Hale.

Rare Books Department,
Cambridge University Library,
West Road, Cambridge CB3 9DR.

Telephone: 01223 333122
Email: wah26 at cam.ac.uk

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Schneider, Nina wrote:

> Has anyone cited an entry from CERL in their bib record? If so, did
you
> do it? I have the record identifier number, but I'm not sure how to
cite
> the website.
>
> I'm tempted to cite it as I would ESTC, that is:
>
> 510 4 _ CERL $c[record id #]
>
> Apologies if this has been discussed, I couldn't find it in the DRCM-L

> archive.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> +-------
> Nina Schneider
> Head Cataloger
> William Andrews Clark Memorial Library 2520 Cimarron Street Los 
> Angeles, CA  90018
>
> 323-731-8529
> nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu
>
>