[DCRM-L] ESTC and the revision of SCF

[Robert Maxwell]

Perhaps this query could be resent, Randy, to exlibris for the non-cataloger point of view.

By the way, I also fall on the "leave it ESTC" side of this question. As has been pointed out, "ESTC" instantly gets you to the database in a simple google search, and catalog records for the ESTC have "ESTC" as an added title access point, so this isn't really one of the opaque one-word 510 citations that are often impossible to figure out.

The difficulty of deciding which name "ESTC" should be expanded to also helps me come down in favor of leaving it ESTC.

Also, I believe we just barely had a debate on this list about changing "ESTC (RLIN)" to just plain "ESTC", so perhaps we've bent this one around enough? :-)

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Head, Special Collections and Metadata Catalog Dept.
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Brigham Young University
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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Robinson
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] ESTC and the revision of SCF

Two folks have indicated it would be useful to get a real feel for what our scholars/researchers (non-librarians) would find the best approach. I think that is smart.

How should we go about determining that?

Of course, we will have the veterans and the newbies among them (and all those in between). There will be a variance of opinion, and we have to decide how to respond to that (selecting the majority opinion or doing something else).

I suspect the tug between tradition and clarity will not be perfectly resolved, but perhaps some research of our clientele will provide us some insight to help us determine how to leap.

Elizabeth A. Robinson
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Randal Brandt <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> From: Randal Brandt <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: [DCRM-L] ESTC and the revision of SCF
> To: "DCRM-L" <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:46 AM
> As those of you who follow the work of the RBMS
> Bibliographic Standards
> Committee already know, a revision of _Standard Citation
> Forms for Rare
> Book Cataloging_ (SCF) is underway (please see the agenda
> and draft
> minutes from the Bib Standards meeting held in Anaheim in
> June 2008 for
> more information:
> http://www.rbms.info/committees/bibliographic_standards/conference-docs/index.html)
>
> One of the key principles of the revision is to make
> citations used in
> bibliographic records (in MARC tag 510) more understandable
> to
> researchers (and, by extension, other catalogers). In order
> to do that,
> citations will be based, as much as possible, on the AACR2
> entries for
> the works being cited. Current single-name or single-word
> citations will
> be expanded.
>
> However, at the Anaheim meeting, a lively discussion took
> place over the
> citation for the ESTC. The room was basically split over
> what to do
> about it. Many favored leaving it alone; "ESTC"
> is so widely known that
> the existing citation is sufficient. Others favored
> following the new,
> AACR2-based principle and expanding the citation to
> "English short title
> catalogue."
>
> At the meeting, it was decided to take the ESTC debate to
> this list and
> see what the wider rare materials cataloging community
> thought about it.
> I'll get the discussion rolling by stating my own
> opinion.
>
> I am in the camp that believes that "ESTC" is OK
> as it is. The acronym
> is sufficiently well-known and does not need to be spelled
> out.
> Researchers and catalogers alike all know what it means.
> More
> importantly, a title keyword search on "ESTC" in
> OCLC WorldCat retrieves
> the bibliographic record for the resource.
>
> What do the rest of you think?
>
> Randal Brandt
> Chair, ACRL/RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee
>
> --
> __________________________
> Randal Brandt
> Principal Cataloger
> The Bancroft Library
> (510) 643-2275
> rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu
> http://bancroft.berkeley.edu
> "It's hard enough to remember my opinions without
> remembering my reasons for them"--The Streets.