[DCRM-L] Question re. Unusual Imprint

[Deborah J. Leslie]

I wavered back and forth on whether that final clause goes into the ‡c. It's what Richard calls the conceptual or narrative unity that decided for me that it all went into ‡b.

 

It's challenging to train catalogers in DCRM(B) transcription, because a lot of the time it isn't cut and dried; judgment has to be used. If Richard had cataloged this book and I was using his OCLC copy, I wouldn't (or probably wouldn't) move the phrase out of ‡c into ‡b. 

 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
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Greetings all--

 

Hmmm... Extrapolating from 4D1.3, it would seem that

 

 ... $b Erstlich getruckt zu Mittelburg, im Jahr 1594, $c nachgetruckt im Jahr 1620

 

would be acceptable, if not obligatory, as analogue of “$c printed in the year 1620”. That portion of the imprint is certainly grammatically separable, but I grant that there may be a conceptual or even narrative unity that might be respected. It’s all a bit artificial, of course, when things get this complicated. 

 

Anyone up for compiling BSCRI’s in these cases? (Now there’s a committee assignment!) - Richard

 

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:23 PM
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Hi Tom,

 

Actually, nothing gets transcribed in ‡a. I agree with Jain that a conjecture of "[Mittelburg?]" is most reasonable. All transcription takes place in ‡b, which is the default element for transcribing grammatically inseparable publication data. See DCRM(B) 4C3. 

 

260 __ $a [Mittelburg?] : $b Erstlich getruckt zu Mittelburg, im Iahr 1594, nachgetruckt im Iahr 1620, ‡c [1620]

 

I'm assuming that in German, the whole clause "nachgetrucket im Iahr 1620" is considered grammatically inseparable. Just as in English, we wouldn't normally split "Printed in the year 1620."

 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Jain
Sent: Friday, 02 October, 2009 12:31
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Hi, Tom,

   I’ll let others test the new rules to see if they cover this situation (so many permutations of publication statements in “real life situations”, it’s impossible to be sure they’ve all been taken care of in the various scenarios considered in the process of creating rules). I am just going to respond to one of your points. It’s true there is no indication of where the imprint was done the second time, but my feeling is that there is a pretty strong possibility that “no indication” means there was no change (repetition not being worth the extra type). So, for that reason, I would think you have a fairly good reason to put [Mittleburg?] in your subfield $a.                                                                                                                             --Jain

Jain Fletcher
Principal Cataloger & Head, Technical Services Division
Department of Special Collections
Young Research Library - UCLA Box 951575
Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Bolze, Thomas
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:18 AM
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Colleagues - 

 

I have a German-language item with the following imprint:

 

Erstlich getruckt zu Mittelburg, im Iahr 1594, nachgetruckt im Iahr 1620.

 

My question is how this would be entered in the 260, since there's no indication of where the reprint was done.  Would all of this go in the subfield c, eg.:

 

260 __ $a [Germany? : $b s.n.], $c erstlich getruckt zu Mittelburg, im Iahr 1594, nachgetruckt im Iahr 1620.

 

Or would a portion of the imprint instead be transcribed in the subfield a?

 

Many thanks for your advice.

 

Tom Bolze

Catalog Librarian

Rare Book Team

Yale University Library

P.O. Box 208240

New Haven, CT 06520-8240

203-432-8302

thomas.bolze at yale.edu

 

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