[DCRM-L] FW: BRS and rare books/material

[Robert Maxwell]

My comments to Iris Wolley on the current state of the BIBCO Standard Record, since it includes issues important to the rare cataloging community.

Thanks,
Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Maxwell 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:02 AM
To: Iris Wolley
Cc: Louise Ratliff; Magda El-Sherbini; Rebecca R. Malek-Wiley; Carolyn Sturtevant; Caroline R. Miller; Anthony R.D. Franks
Subject: RE: BRS and rare books/material

Thank you, Iris, for this explanation. I am glad to hear that we are authorized to continue coding rare (i.e. DCRM(B)) records as core when necessary.

There are two remaining issues that I see, however.

The first is the one you mentioned: it was not publicized that the BIBCO Standard Record standard does not apply to rare books (i.e. DCRM(B) cataloging). It calls itself the *BIBCO* Standard Record, not the BIBCO Standard Record *for Printed Monographs*, implying that it applies to all BIBCO work. There is a lot more than printed monographs in BIBCO. Further, even assuming that it is understood that this new standard applies only to printed monographs, since rare books are, after all, printed monographs, it will be assumed by most (as it was by me) that it applies to all types of printed monographs, rare or not. This needs to be made very clear in the documentation. And the rare materials aspect needs to be thought about with respect to other PCC "standard record" standards, since rare standards can be and are being applied to all sorts of materials, not just printed monographs.

I note, by the way, that the announcement from Anthony Franks on October 7 refers to the standard as "a BIBCO Standard Record (BSR) for monographic materials." Given what I have now learned from your letter this is doubly imprecise. Not only does it not specify that it doesn't apply to rare materials, it doesn't specify that it only applies to *printed* monographs. As we all know, monographs can appear in any format, so the initial message implies that the new standard applies to all formats as long as the material is monographic in nature.

Second, when the book core was originally created, we created and had approved by the PCC a rare books core, which was published separately from the general book core. Somewhere along the line without consultation with the rare book community the rare core was combined with the general book core standard, with a series of footnotes showing where rare required more (or in the case of 050, less) than the general core standard. I see that BIBCO has separated them out again (http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/bibco.html), but the notes remain in the combined document (http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/coredcrb.html, then click on one of the notes). I am assuming that because the BIBCO Standard Record for Printed Monographs is intended to replace the Books Core, the Books Core document will go away from the BIBCO page. When and if that happens, the PCC must be careful to re-separate out the notes and reattach the pertinent notes to the Rare core. This should be done in close consultation with the ACRL/RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee.

Thanks,
Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 

-----Original Message-----
From: Iris Wolley [mailto:iw2117 at columbia.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:05 AM
To: Robert Maxwell
Cc: Louise Ratliff; Magda El-Sherbini; Rebecca R. Malek-Wiley; Carolyn Sturtevant; Caroline R. Miller
Subject: BRS and rare books/material

Hello Robert
My colleague passed your message to the DCRM(b) revision group list 
along to me. The text of it is appended below my message.

The recently approved BIBCO Standard Record is for printed monographs, 
_but doesn't include rare books_. This information should have been 
included in the BSR introduction. So I can understand your concern.

The BSR committee work is through (for the BSR for printed monographs) 
and I am not aware, as of this posting, who will be working on the next 
steps for inclusion of other formats for the BSR (rare,  visual, sound 
recordings, etc.).

I hope this clears up your concerns. At this time I cannot speak for the 
PCC with regard to additional work for the BSR for formats other than 
the printed monograph.

Thanks,
Iris Wolley
Columbia University Libraries
New York, NY



Subject:     [DCRM-L] BIBCO Standard Record
Date:     Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:03:10 -0600
From:     Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell at byu.edu>
Reply-To:     DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
To:     DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>



As most of you know, the BIBCO standard record has now been approved 
(see message and link below).  One of my catalogers points out that this 
seems to blast out of the water DCRM(B) Core, since core is now 
obsolete. The main problem with this is that in DCRM(B) Core 050 was not 
required; this was the main reason we used the core here. 050 is 
required in the new BIBCO Standard Record. I know many of us commented 
on this specific issue to the PCC Policy Committee, but our comments 
appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Is anyone involved in this standard 
on DCRM-L? If so, could you comment?


Would the chair of Bibliographic Standards care to request clarification 
and/or protest? This change will greatly diminish our BYU PCC 
contributions in areas where we use idiosyncratic call number schemes 
and do not want to take the time to create full blown LC call numbers 
for 050 (e.g. series of pamphlets). (Until we get clarification on this 
issue we intend to continue to code DCRM(B) PCC records without 050 as 
core.)



These are the members of the committee that created the BIBCO Standard 
Record policy:

Members: Magda El-Sherbini, Ohio State University, Rebecca Malek-Wiley, 
Tulane University, Caroline Miller, University of California, Los 
Angeles, Louise Ratliff, University of California, Los Angeles, Carolyn 
Sturtevant, Coop, Library of Congress

Iris Wolley, Columbia University (coordinator)

Liaisons: Joe Kiegel, Standing Committee on Standards, University of 
Washington, Rebecca Lubas, Standing Committee on Automation, University 
of New Mexico, Bob Wolverton, Standing Committee on Training, 
Mississippi State University



Bob



Robert L. Maxwell

Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian

Genre/Form Authorities Librarian

6728 Harold B. Lee Library

Brigham Young University

Provo, UT 84602

(801)422-5568



-----Original Message-----

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:PCCLIST at loc.gov] On 
Behalf Of Antony Robert David Franks

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:01 PM

To: PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV

Subject: BIBCO Standard Record Approved



The PCC Policy Committee (PoCo) has approved the creation of a BIBCO

Standard Record (BSR) for monographic materials.   The requirements for

the BSR for monographs were laid out in the final report of the Task 
Group on BIBCO Standard Record Requirements, available from the PCC 
Website at: http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/BSR-Final-Report.pdf







The Policy Committee will be discussing the details of BSR 
implementation at its upcoming meeting (November 5 and 6, 2009) at the 
Library of Congress.  The PoCo will also consider the process of 
creating BSR

guidelines for other formats.   Details will be forthcoming after the

November meetings in Washington.



Anthony R.D. Franks

Head, Cooperative Programs Section

Cooperative and Instructional Programs Division Library of Congress

202-707-2822 (voice)

202-252-2082 (fax)