[DCRM-L] DCRM-L Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3
Cawelti, Andrea
cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
Fri Dec 2 09:19:56 MST 2011
Grateful thanks to all the respondents to my query about cracks in engraved plates. Our Rare Book Team will discuss, and ponder the best formulation for the printing and publishing thesaurus. "Damaged plates" seems somewhat ambiguous to me but no doubt saner heads will prevail.
Thanks again,
Andrea
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Andrea Cawelti
Ward Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: (617) 495-8060
FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
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1. cracks in engraved plates (Cawelti, Andrea)
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4. Re: cracks in engraved plates (Deborah J. Leslie)
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Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Grateful thanks, Andrea
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Andrea Cawelti
Ward Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: (617) 495-8060
FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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From: John Lancaster <jjlancaster at me.com>
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There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that?s another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.
John Lancaster
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
> Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I?d never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.
> Thoughts? Suggestions?
> Grateful thanks, Andrea
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> Andrea Cawelti
> Ward Cataloger
> Houghton Library
> Harvard University
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> Phone: (617) 495-8060
> FAX: (617) 495-1376
> E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
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From: "Fell, Todd" <todd.fell at yale.edu>
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I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.
Todd Fell
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There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.
John Lancaster
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Grateful thanks, Andrea
--
Andrea Cawelti
Ward Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: (617) 495-8060
FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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From: "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu>
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The printing and publishing thesaurus has terms for imperfections of various sorts, so it would be appropriate to propose a new term. You'd have to do some research to find predominant usage.
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I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.
Todd Fell
From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of John Lancaster
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.
John Lancaster
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Grateful thanks, Andrea
--
Andrea Cawelti
Ward Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Phone: (617) 495-8060
FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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