[DCRM-L] Question on DCRM(B) 4B4 supplying fuller place names.

[Lenore Rouse]

  Thanks Bob,

Locative- arrgh-  the one case I thought I could safely ignore! I'm not 
sure the printers' practice is always uniform but if we assume it to be 
so should the instructions perhaps be tweaked? (Though it might be 
unrealistic now that administrators and granting agencies expect all 
cataloging to be done by undergraduates or superannuated lab rats from 
the biology department...;-)

Lenore





On 1/17/2011 5:51 PM, Robert Maxwell wrote:
> Worse, on the question of whether catalogers should be expected to be able to come up with the full form, printers did not use the genitive case, but the locative case, which sometimes but not always has the same form as genitive. If it's unreasonable to expect catalogers to come up with the genitive form, so much more so the much less common locative (as I'm sure my Latin students would be glad to tell you, who think I am unreasonable to expect *them* to come up with it :-)
>
> However, I do think if the abbreviation is to be expanded it should be expanded in the form the printer would be expected to have set it, i.e., in the locative case.
>
> The Latin Place Names file should be helpful for most of these, since it gives the Latin place names in the locative case:
>
> http://www.rbms.info/committees/bibliographic_standards/latin/index.html
>
> The file aims to include all pre-1800 Latin place names that appear in imprints, so chances are catalogers who are stumped for a form should find it there. If any place is missing, please write me and I'll have it added. The file does not include abbreviated forms; I think that would be too great an undertaking. However, I think a place name associated with an abbreviation should be easy enough to find in the file.
>
> Bob
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept.
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
> ________________________________________
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Lenore Rouse [rouse at cua.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 12:08 PM
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: [DCRM-L] Question on DCRM(B) 4B4 supplying fuller place names.
>
> Supplied fuller forms of place names (4B4)
> When supplying the fuller form of an abbreviated Latin place name, should the cataloger supply the nominative case or extrapolate to the genitive case which was what printers generally used? This question derives from a 1714 book published in “Norimb.” I.e. modern Nuremberg.  A previous cataloger supplied Norimb[ergae] which raises 2 questions.
>
> 1.     This is the genitive (which is the way most – but not all –  printers represented the place).   My gut reaction is that it is requiring too much of most catalogers to construct the genitive form of the place of publication, that doing so would be reading  (unfaithfully?) into the piece, and that such a practice could also hamper catalog users.  Maybe this question came up during B editing but the instruction in 4B4 doesn’t say exactly WHAT form the fuller form should take in such variable situations.
>
> 2.       Also the 4B4 examples of supplied fuller forms of place do not insert brackets within a word the way examples in GM do – eg.  Phila[delphia]. I have vague recollections that this was discussed somewhere long ago, and that the brackets in Phila[delphia] or Norimb[ergae] will defeat a keyword search and hence such constructions are no longer recommended. Is this correct? This item is not retrievable by place of publication in my system unless the searcher knows where to insert brackets in Norimb[ergae], but would Rio [de Janeiro] as suggested in 4B4 not cause a similar problem? Appreciate any clarification on these.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lenore
>
>
>
> --
> Lenore M. Rouse
> Curator, Rare Books&  Special Collections
> The Catholic University of America
> Room 214, Mullen Library
> 620 Michigan Avenue N.E.
> Washington, D.C. 20064
>
> PHONE: 202 319-5090
> E-MAIL: rouse at cua.edu<mailto:rouse at cua.edu>
>
>
>

-- 
Lenore M. Rouse
Curator, Rare Books&  Special Collections
The Catholic University of America
Room 214, Mullen Library
620 Michigan Avenue N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20064

PHONE: 202 319-5090
E-MAIL: rouse at cua.edu