[DCRM-L] Report on OCLC survey at BSC meeting at Midwinter. WAS Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

[Valerie Buck]

I’ll make sure that it gets included. Thanks for the heads-up.

Valerie M. Buck
Rare Literature Cataloger
Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
6742 HBLL
Provo, Utah  84602
801-422-4477
valerie_buck at byu.edu<mailto:valerie_buck at byu.edu>


From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Holly Phelps
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Report on OCLC survey at BSC meeting at Midwinter. WAS Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

And the report will be included in the minutes of the meeting, for those of us who can’t attend?
Great!
Thank you!

Holly Phelps
Library Company of Philadelphia

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Schneider, Nina
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 2:16 PM
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Report on OCLC survey at BSC meeting at Midwinter. WAS Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

Hi all,

I wanted to mention that a couple of members of the Bibliographic Standards Committee of RBMS have put together a survey about rare materials and OCLC. They will report on this during the BSC meeting at ALA Midwinter (Boston). Everyone is welcome.

Saturday, January 9, 2016
8:30-11:30 am
Westin Copley Plaza – Staffordshire

I’m still working on the agenda, so I don’t have a specific time, but if you are interested in hearing more, please join us. If you can’t, the minutes will be available shortly thereafter.

Nina

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Nina M. Schneider
Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee

Rare Books Librarian
William Andrews Clark Memorial Library
2520 Cimarron Street
Los Angeles, CA  90018
(323) 731-8529

nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu<mailto:nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu>
http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/



From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

I agree with Deborah, Ryan, and Ted regarding copy-specific details that supply manifestation-relevant information.

As for truly-truly copy-specific information:  My thinking on this topic changed a few years ago, after talking with researchers who were astounded and outraged that libraries might be deleting data that is critical to their work.

I agree with Francis that our current display mechanisms and data model isn't the best for meeting user needs re: former owner info and the like.  I hope/assume that Jackie's team is going to address these concerns?

Personally, I want to push for changes in our displays and models -- not delete valuable data that users want, in order to fit a situation that, apparently, isn't meeting user needs.

Does this make sense?  I'm totally open to other perspectives and ideas.  But I am, for the record, hesitant to delete data that researchers have told me loud and clear they want access to.



Allison

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu<mailto:tgemberl at uab.edu>> wrote:
Yes, I think that’s good, as long as there is an introductory phrase identifying which library has the inscription. If it helps catalog the book, it is “universal” information.
Ted Gemberling

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

I am in favor of not tagging a general note with ‡5 when the information from a particular copy justifies manifestation- or work/expression-level information.

Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu<mailto:djleslie at folger.edu> | 202.675-0369<tel:202.675-0369> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<http://folger.edu>

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Ryan Hildebrand
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2015 11:42
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

I might agree, but I don’t think there is a potential system configuration nuanced enough for a hub and spoke approach. For example, I do want to see an author attribution note based on an inscription in a single copy. I especially want to see such a note if it supports additional manifestation-level AAPs, which might not be tagged |5. I do not want to see local copy numbers, notes on bookplates, etc. It feels like a display-based solution offers an all or nothing approach, with maybe an uncomfortable middle ground (e.g., display field when |5 = x institutions).

It is interesting to hear from Christine that some libraries are not contributing this data intentionally, with future WorldCat use in mind.

It may be that another approach is needed. Richard touched on this. Perhaps when local information supports a manifestation-level elements, it should not be tagged |5, but should be introduced with a phrase identifying the institution, e.g., 500__University of Oregon copy inscribed...

I appreciate all the input thus far.

Thanks,
Ryan



From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:28 AM
To: DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

I delete copy-specific data only if there is no $5.  If there is a $5, then we have valuable data about copies -- and my mantra is to never delete metadata, but rather to suppress or alter its display, or ignore it upon transfer.

So, I prefer not to delete copy-specific data in the master record (great for researchers!), but rather, to ensure that fields with other people's $5's don't import into my library's catalog. Ryan, I understand how this approach might become a headache in a consortium environment -- but it's not impossible, either.

Something in my gut is uncomfortable with deleting data just because we find it obnoxious to configure our systems. ;-)  I also think that the $5 is a reasonable solution to the "hub and spoke" approach of hanging copy-specific data off of master records, given the MARC formats.


$0.02,
Allison

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 6:07 AM, C M <cmegowan at gmail.com<mailto:cmegowan at gmail.com>> wrote:
In principle, I agree that local/copy-specific data is best left out of the master record unless it is likely to be of interest in the wider bibliographic universe. Since moving to the UK, however, I have found that libraries on this side of the pond generally do not catalog(ue) directly in OCLC Connexion, but instead import records for editing in the local ILS. At some regular interval, the records are then exported to OCLC through a more or less automated process. The individual cataloguer has no control over what happens to the master record. As far as I can tell, this process strips out any 590 fields (which seem to be used very infrequently), but fields 541, 561, 563, or any headings tagged with $5 are left in.

As much as I hate cluttering up master records with our copy-specfic data, it would take a major change in our local policies and/or workflows to stop doing so.


Christine Megowan
Cataloguing Librarian: Rare Books
Special Collections and Archives
Arts and Social Studies Library
Cardiff University
Web: www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar<http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar>

Christine Megowan
Llyfrgellydd Catalogio: Llyfrau Prin
Casgliadau Arbennig ac Archifau
Llyfrgell y Celfyddydau ac Astudiaethau Cymdeithasol
Prifysgol Caerdydd
Gwefan: www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar<http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/insrv/scolar>


On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu<mailto:tgemberl at uab.edu>> wrote:
Oh, one other point. When I create a 500 with subfield 5 with information I think some other cataloger might want, I change it to a 590 when I bring it into our catalog. 590’s are displayed differently in our catalog from 500’s. I delete all the 500’s that are obviously local information for other libraries.
Ted

From: Ted P Gemberling
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:55 PM
To: 'DCRM Users' Group'
Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Deletion of copy-specific fields/data from OCLC master?

Yes, that’s my understanding of what the subfield 5 is for, when you have information that you’re not sure is only of local interest. If your copy proves to you that the note is unnecessary, go ahead and delete it. But don’t delete all 500’s with subfield 5. As Richard says, they may contain important clues to some mysterious aspect of a book.

I recently cataloged a book with a record created by NLE (National Library of Scotland?). There were a number of local notes on it. I’ll admit I wasn’t bold enough to remove them from the master record, but since NLE was the only other library using the record, I added $5 NLE to the 500’s.

Ted Gemberling
UAB Lister Hill Library

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:43 PM
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If you do that with all $5 note fields you might lose one of my precious gems--that is, when it's a feature of Brown's copy (and almost certainly of some but not all other copies) that is the clue to variation within a manifestation (issue, roughly), I will usually tag it $5 RPB. But perhaps I shouldn't do so, as long as the note explicitly states that the observation is based on the Brown University copy. I don't like such notes that leave one wondering "Where did that come from?"

I'm too old now not to be bold, so I've taken to sweeping LC's local collection (710) and acquisition notes (561) out of master records. If you want such information about LC's holdings, search their local catalog.

Of course, our  opac doesn't even display $5 in its "regular [full, labelled] display", only in our "coded display" (what others call MARC or Staff or Librarian view).

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187<tel:401-863-1187>
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<http://own.edu>>

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Randal S. BRANDT <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
I've also gotten bolder with age and now generally delete copy-specific information from OCLC master records. I do make an exception for $5 DLC, however. Not yet bold enough to delete Library of Congress information.

We also set up a routine job for our Systems Office to sweep the ILS periodically looking for instances of $5 that contain non-UC Berkeley organization codes and remove those fields, whether they be notes or access points, from our local catalog.




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