[DCRM-L] Folio or broadsheet?

Tue Dec 22 10:38:59 MST 2015

Hi Ted,

Just about to leave for the holidays, so I’ll have to be brief. Yes, I’m a bit frustrated with Gaskell at times, and this is one of those instances. The table you mention contradicts (or, at least, is incomplete next to) Table 3 which begins on page 73 regarding paper sizes and watermarks. All of the various qualities of papers differed in standard sizes depending on the country or the time period. My inclination is still to call this a Royal folio, but if you can counter this with more information, I’d be happy to receive it.

Yes, broadsheets, that is full-sheets, should have horizontal chainlines, but watch out for the oblongs.

And thanks for the heads-up about personal entries. I’ll have to amend my record when I return next year.

Cheers!
Dave

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling
Sent: 22 December 2015 17:21
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Richard and David,
Thanks for the enlightenment. However, here’s one question: David says that it “just barely qualifies as a Royal folio.” Is Gaskell wrong to say that Royal folios have uncut height of 46 cm., considerably shorter than this book? (Page 86)

A more elementary question: do broadsheets usually have horizontal chainlines?

David, I am working on a DCRM(b) record for the book. At present I am using OCLC #54136513. I created a NACO authority for Gulielmus Dundass, who was apparently the editor. I have not created one for Nicolaus Muntendam or Rudolph Schomberg.

Thanks again,
Ted

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of David Stumpp
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:09 AM
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Ahh, thank you, Richard! You’ve answered my lingering question regarding the final leaves. We lack (by my best guess) the final leaf.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: 22 December 2015 15:13
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Dave Stump has called this one correctly, from the paper evidence of the single sheets alone. Beyond that, and more definitively, the preliminaries include what appear from the signatures to be sheets of folio in 2s, and the text ends with a gathering *^6. (There are some complications that are not easily resolvable from a page-by-page online display, but basic make-up is obvious.) If the paper is the same throughout, you have your answer: it's folio, largely made up of folio half sheets (single leaves), presumably printed work-and-turn, very efficient and typical of the work of this period.

The obvious reason for the single leaves is to facilitate binding of the plate descriptions with the plates.

Based on quick inspection of: http://doc.rero.ch/record/11684

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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:55 AM, David Stumpp <david.stumpp at chch.ox.ac.uk<mailto:david.stumpp at chch.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi Ted,

Christ Church Library has a copy, and the binding is just good enough that I wouldn’t have been able to say whether leaves were conjugate or not. In size, I do think that it just barely qualifies as a Royal folio but is a bit too small to be considered an elephant folio or anything larger. That all being said, I think that, given the position of the watermarks (ours are centered between head and foot, but are, perhaps, a bit offset towards the fore-edge) and the direction of the chain-lines, I would have called it a folio nonetheless. Could the single-leaf ‘gatherings’ be evidence of the printer’s decision to print on half-sheets?

In fact, since I have it out, I think that I, too, will catalogue it and, at least for the time being, I will call it a folio. Thanks for drawing my attention to it, and let me know what you decide to do with yours. And happy holidays!

Best,
Dave

______________________________

David Stumpp
Antiquarian Cataloguer
The Library
Christ Church, Oxford, OX1 1DP
01865 276169

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It is William Cowper’s Anatomia corporum humanorum, published at Utrecht (Ultrajecti) by Nicolaus Muntendam in 1750.

Thanks, Ted

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What's the book, and when and where was it published?

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Ted P Gemberling <tgemberl at uab.edu<mailto:tgemberl at uab.edu>> wrote:
I am cataloging a book that I’m pretty sure is broadsheet format. The dimensions of the sheets are approximately 53 x 35 cm., and the table on p. 86 of Gaskell (New Introduction to Bibliography. Oak Knoll Press, 2007) seems to show that as too large for any folio. And in addition, most of the “gatherings” in the book are only one leaf. It has vertical chainlines, and near the top of p. 106, Gaskell seems to say that broadsheets can have vertical chainlines. So how could it be anything but broadsheet? But on the same page, he also says “the watermark would be offset from the middle of the leaf.” And in the leaves where I’ve found a watermark, it seems to be about in the middle of the leaf. Does that disqualify it from being broadsheet? Am I missing something?

Thanks for any enlightenment!

Ted P. Gemberling
Historical Collections Cataloger
UAB Lister Hill Library, rm. 234B
1720 Second Ave. South
Birmingham, Ala. 35294-0013
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