[DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752

[Robert Maxwell]

Yes, the Sirsi system allows you to control about anything and we do control 752.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Ted P Gemberling
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752

Matt,
I believe Bob Maxwell said there was some way to control 752’s at his institution. I always check the established form of a place’s name before putting it in the 752. For example, it’s Saint Louis, Missouri, not St. Louis, and Montréal, Québec, not Montreal.

Ted Gemberling
UAB Lister Hill Library

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew C. Haugen
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752

I agree with Francis that the ability to specify the nature of the PPDM relationship would be beneficial and consistent with the apparent direction of RDA, whether in the 752 or 751.

The hierarchical approach of the 752 seems well suited for card catalog style indexing and browsing since the additional intermediate or superior jurisdictional/elements that enable searches for imprints at any of those levels don't exist in the direct NAF 1xx forms or in the 781 geographic subdivision entries. Maybe some have developed local systems to do so, but 752 does not seem to mesh as well with current abilities for controlling and linking to NAF/LCSH forms because the composite 752 and the individual elements do not necessarily match the NAF.

So whatever approach we take on the 751 or 752 in bib records, it might also be good to have a parallel for the full hierarchy in MARC authority format, so that 752 United States $b Pennsylvania $d Philadelphia could be controlled, or so that 751 Philadelphia (Pa.) could be accessed hierarchically.

While we're at it, would it be worthwhile to add $5 (institution to which field applies) to 751 and/or 752 for recording copy-specific relationships to places?

Matt

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Fell, Todd <todd.fell at yale.edu<mailto:todd.fell at yale.edu>> wrote:
I would agree with Richard; retain the usage of the 752 while advocating for the ability to provide relationship designators.

Todd

Todd Fell
Head, Rare Book Cataloging Unit
Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library
P.O. Box 208330
New Haven, CT 06520-8330
(203) 432-5178<tel:%28203%29%20432-5178>


From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] MARC fields 751 and 752

I would strongly favor the addition of relators to the 752 field. One of its greatest strengths is the hierarchical format, which makes it possible to browse lower elements of the hierarchy without prior knowledge of their existence in the database, ordered according to a specifically geographical logic, i.e. how we think about places.

The format of 751 is the equivalent of 700s in direct order without see from references--not optimal, i.e. not how we think about names.

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187<tel:401-863-1187>
<Richard_Noble at Br<mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu<http://own.edu>>

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>> wrote:
In 2007, MARBI approved creation of MARC field 751:

Added entry in which the entry element is a geographic name that is related to a particular attribute of the described item, e.g., the place of publication for a rare book, place of distribution, place of a university to which a dissertation is submitted, place of an event such as a conference, etc.
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd751.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.loc.gov_marc_bibliographic_bd751.html&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=Np9Dv-N85TxuwGXDqbzvM-I_B1c6fwLXrzKWWE4fD3I&m=ec9YaTLEpvsUDXdQr0RrviQsln6PykiXKUdOOZBTu-M&s=kwJIb1eCMwUqrahFc4Pahg3Xx6BsyOSTYTe0ToDDt78&e=>

The scope of this field is similar to that of the 752, which substitutes “hierarchical form of place name” for “geographic name.”

Compare the results:

751 __ $a Lyon (France) $e publication place [or $4 pup]

752 __ $a France $d Lyon.


While we may debate the merits of recording the entry element in hierarchical form (752) or a form as entered in an authority file (751), the 751 has at least one clear advantage: it allows us to specify the nature of the relationship between the place and the resource, via subfields $e or $4. These subfields are not available in the 752.

I fear our 752 tracings are regrettably ambiguous. They fail to indicate whether the data is about a place of production, publication, distribution, or manufacture.

Before long, it is very likely that the option to record relationships to PPDM places will be formalized in RDA. See:

FRBR Library Reference Model: http://library.ifla.org/1084/1/207-riva-en.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__library.ifla.org_1084_1_207-2Driva-2Den.pdf&d=AwMFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=Np9Dv-N85TxuwGXDqbzvM-I_B1c6fwLXrzKWWE4fD3I&m=ec9YaTLEpvsUDXdQr0RrviQsln6PykiXKUdOOZBTu-M&s=ZbgJoHbks_WXFWixeV71b9VPCzKOvK615rcGcgaVh1E&e=>
Proposed revisions to RDA 2.7-2.10: http://www.rda-rsc.org/6JSC/BL%20rep/2


Given that RDA will soon emphasize related places, I think now would be a good time to modify our practice so that we can make explicit the nature of these relationships (of course agencies are free to do as they please). Might we consider it best practice to use the 751 instead of the 752? Or could we request a modification to the 752 field to add subfields in which to record the relationship designator and/or code? Are any on this list already using the 751 field?

Francis



Francis Lapka  ·  Catalog Librarian
Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
Yale Center for British Art
203.432.9672<tel:203.432.9672>  ·  francis.lapka at yale.edu<mailto:francis.lapka at yale.edu>





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Matthew C. Haugen
Rare Book Cataloger
102 Butler Library
Columbia University Libraries
E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu<mailto:matthew.haugen at columbia.edu>
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