[DCRM-L] 510 subfield c citation form for online resources

[Noble, Richard]

I should have re-threaded my message (as I have this one), since the
question that arose in my mind really had more to do with subfield c
generally in online resources, and the desirability of including models in
the SCF records for them. I do think that, in the end, that subfield u
durable URL's would be far better than subfield c text, but the best format
for subfield c would still be needed, unless subfield u is defined as a
possible substitute for (as well as adjunct to) subfield c.

That said, the potentially slippery nature of online resource naming may
one day be an issue--as much fun as successive serial records.

RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
<Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Manon Theroux <manon.theroux at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Richard,
>
> To clarify, the entry number in 510 $c that I used came from the MARC 001
> system number (the "identifier") not a "DGM" number. My record does not
> contain a DGM number.
>
> In the record you cited for a Webster speech, the DGM number appears to
> correspond to the system number of a related record:
>
>
> http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=003873291&format=001&con_lng=eng
>
> I didn't have any questions about the 510 $c, just the $a and $u.
>
> Manon
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> One hates to dispute the institution's own stated preference, but I doubt
>> whether "Explore the British Library" has, by our standards, a terribly
>> long future as a name for the catalogue. It's not really a title, just an
>> invitation (or a command?)--by a bookish analogy, more like the sort of
>> phrase you'd see on a dust cover. The thing seems to called "primocat", or
>> perhaps "primocat.bl.uk", or "explore.bl.uk/primo_library", though it
>> *is* quite sensibly designated "main catalogue", a more durable and
>> informative term.
>>
>> But apart from that kind of fluff, what about the 510 subfield c? The
>> "identifier" field contains the system number, e.g. "016905687" for *Mr.
>> Webster's second speech on the Sub-Treasury Bill, delivered March 12, 1838*
>> .
>>
>>
>> http://primocat.bl.uk/F/?func=direct&local_base=PRIMO&doc_number=016905687&format=001&con_lng=eng
>>
>> Is that what one ought to cite? Then again, was Manon citing the number
>> from the "DGM" field?
>>
>> At any rate, it doesn't seem possible to enter such values directly in
>> Explore the British Library. Is there some sort of durable URL that would
>> enable precise access to the description referred to by way of the 510? For
>> online resources, a subfield u seems almost indispensable, assuming that
>> it's not subject to change in the next database upgrade. That's the
>> e-equivalent of an entry or page number.
>>
>> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
>> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
>> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>>
>>
>>
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