[DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]

[Matthew C. Haugen]

Richard, Thank you for the suggestion. I queried them just now, and will
let the list know what I hear.

Thanks,

Matt

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Noble, Richard <richard_noble at brown.edu>
wrote:

> Matt-
>
> Did you query the MARC Standards Office about "kobt"? It looks very much
> like a typo from whatever source that found its way into the two documents.
> If it is, then it should be corrected asap, before it finds its way into
> too many records.
>
> Richard
>
> RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY
> BROWN UNIVERSITY  ::  PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912  ::  401-863-1187
> <Richard_Noble at Br <RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU>own.edu>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Matthew C. Haugen <
> matthew.haugen at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> All, Thanks for the feedback. I submitted a request for a new source code
>> for the Language of Bindings Thesaurus to the MARC standards office on
>> February 5. A new code was announced in the MARC Technical Notice on April
>> 7, but it just came to my attention today:
>> Genre/Form Code and Term Source Codes
>>
>> The following source code has been added to the Genre/Form Code and Term
>> Source Codes <http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html>
>> list for usage in appropriate fields and elements.
>> Additions
>>
>>    - kobt - Language of Bindings Thesaurus (London: University of Arts)
>>
>> Sources:
>> http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/tn160406src.html
>>
>> http://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/genre-form.html
>>
>>
>> This enables the use of the thesaurus in 655_7 $2 kobt
>>
>> I would have expected lobt, but both LOC documents do show kobt.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Carpenter, Jane <
>> jfcarpenter at library.ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Nina, LOB = Language of Bindings (Ligatus)
>>>
>>> I believe it’s Jackie Shieh
>>>
>>> You’re right—Feb 15th is President’s Day!  (I didn’t realize….)  We’ll
>>> reschedule the CV meeting
>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing that out
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Schneider, Nina
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:23 PM
>>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus
>>> thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, Matt, for being dense. What’s LOB?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I went to an ALA reporting meeting at UCLA yesterday and one
>>> person reported on a meeting they attended (PCC at Large, I believe) in
>>> which expansion of fields beyond $0 (such as $0 for authorities, $w for
>>> works and $4 for bibliographic relationships) help with linking. I believe
>>> it’s a pilot of the URI Task Group (I think Jackie Shay – George Washington
>>> University -- gave the presentation at Midwinter).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
>>> <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Matthew C. Haugen
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* Deborah J. Leslie
>>> *Cc:* DCRM Users' Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus
>>> thesaurus [Was "Untrimmed Edges"]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am considering submitting a request for a new MARC genre/form code and
>>> term source code for the LOB database to enable use of the terms in 655 as
>>> with rbbin. Would others find this desirable? Has a request already been
>>> made, perhaps?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For those who don't studiously read ExLibris-L. This thesaurus has been
>>> a long time in preparation:
>>> http://www.arts.ac.uk/research/ual-research-centres/ligatus/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
>>> 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
>>> folger.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Nicholas Pickwoad [mailto:npickwoad at paston.co.uk]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 08 May 2015 10:19
>>> *To:* exlibris-l at list.indiana.edu
>>> *Subject:* [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] Ligatus thesaurus [Was
>>> "Untrimmed Edges"]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Leslie,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have now at last got news. The thesaurus will be open to all in the
>>> week leading up to a conference we are putting on in London with CERL on 23
>>> June (the poster is about to go out). The accompanying volume, *Coming
>>> to Terms: guidelines for the description of historical bindings* (120,000
>>> words and about 500 illustrations) is now with the designer and will be
>>> available later in the summer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Professor Nicholas Pickwoad
>>>
>>> Ligatus Research Centre
>>>
>>> CCW Graduate School, University of the Arts London
>>>
>>> 16 John Islip Street
>>>
>>> London SW1P 4JU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> e-mail: npickwoad at paston.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2015, at 15:12, "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas,
>>>
>>> Any word on when the Ligatus thesaurus will be available for general use?
>>>
>>> Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie at folger.edu |
>>> 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.
>>> folger.edu
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nicholas Pickwoad [mailto:npickwoad at paston.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Friday, 08 May 2015 03:59
>>> To: exlibris-l at list.indiana.edu
>>> Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: ["EXLIBRIS-L"] "Untrimmed Edges"
>>>
>>> Dear Andy Foster,
>>>
>>> I wrote this last night but had not sent it off before I saw Terry's
>>> response. We are largely in agreement, except over the use of the word
>>> 'trimmed', as Anglophone binders, of whom I am one, use the word 'cut' for
>>> the substantial removal of the edges of the leaves across a whole
>>> bookblock, while 'trim' has a sense in English of a much lighter cut than
>>> is usually seen on most books. We will include 'trim' as an alternative
>>> term for 'cut', and the community at large will decide which it prefers.
>>> These differences in terminology between the practitioners and the users
>>> are not uncommon. For most binders, cutting is done in a 'cutting' or
>>> 'laying press'; there is no piece of equipment called a 'trimming press'.
>>>
>>>
>>> My original message:
>>>
>>> We have tried to sort this out for the Ligatus thesaurus as follows: As
>>> the treatment of the individual edges of any bookblock can be different,
>>> you always need to make clear whether you are describing all or only one or
>>> two of the edges. Deckle (not deckled) edges will, as you indicate, appear
>>> on the bookblock edges according to how the sheet of handmade paper is
>>> folded, and will, under normal circumstances, be present on all three outer
>>> edges only on folio format books, and on the fore- and tail edges of
>>> quartos, etc. The term 'rough edges' is a somewhat archaic form of 'deckle
>>> edges' (it was used in the eighteenth century), but all such edges are
>>> 'uncut edges'. The term 'rough cut' is rather different and means the same
>>> as  the term 'rough trimmed' as in rough trimmed edges' (defined in the
>>> Ligatus thesaurus as:  "Uneven edges in which leaves or groups of leaves
>>> were trimmed, often by hand with shears, either before the book was sewn or
>>> after to remove the oversized leaves which would otherwise have projected
>>> from the edge of the bookblock. A rough-trimmed edge is therefore very
>>> different from one that is 'cut solid' with a plough or draw knife (or,
>>> more recently, a guillotine). Edges of both sorts can be found on the same
>>> bookblock"). Although the terms  'cutting' and 'trimming' have been used to
>>> mean the same things (cutting solid with a plough, etc.), we are suggesting
>>> that only the term 'cutting' is used for this, and 'trimming' be reserved
>>> for 'rough trimming', in the hopes of keeping the two different processes
>>> distinct.
>>>
>>> Bolts on the folded edges of leaves will be cut off by edge cutting (or
>>> indeed to some extent by rough trimming) and the textblock thus 'opened',
>>> but bolts can be 'opened' individually without cutting the edge of the
>>> bookblock, leaving any deckle edges intact.
>>>
>>> Nicholas Pickwoad
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 May 2015, at 20:14, Milton & Hubble Books <andy at miltonandhubble.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello List:
>>>
>>> I'm pondering the terms for describing edges in fine press books with
>>> hand made paper.
>>>
>>> Should the term "Deckled Edges " or "Rough Edges"  be used only when
>>> such edges are present Head, Fore, and Tail - that is ALL EDGES?    What if
>>> such Rough Edges should remain on the sheet edge, but appear in the book
>>> together with trimmed edges - sometimes on the Head edge, sometimes on the
>>> Fore Edge, or sometimes on more than one edge, as folding would have it?
>>>
>>> Should the term "Untrimmed Edges" be a safe catch-all phrase,
>>> encompassing all possibilities including unopened edges as well as these
>>> cases of scattered deckled edges?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your kind assistance!
>>>
>>> Andy Foster
>>> Milton and Hubble Books
>>> Pasadena, California
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthew C. Haugen
>>> Rare Book Cataloger
>>> 102 Butler Library
>>> Columbia University Libraries
>>> E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu
>>> Phone: 212-851-2451
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> Matthew C. Haugen
>> Rare Book Cataloger
>> 102 Butler Library
>> Columbia University Libraries
>> E-mail: matthew.haugen at columbia.edu
>> Phone: 212-851-2451
>>
>>
>


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Matthew C. Haugen
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102 Butler Library
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