[DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

Wed Mar 23 14:33:35 MDT 2016

I agree that this kind of “source” information may be properly included in a master record without using $$5, and, in fact, it’s better not to use $$5, since the “local” information is being included to substantiate a claim, not to publish information about a particular collection.

Elaine Shiner,
Rare Book Cataloger
Houghton Library, Harvard University

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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

I take Deborah's point about $5. That being a problem, I'll omit $5 in cases such as this, even though I'm inclined to include information about a copy-in-hand that is my "source" for the information, together with a dose of cataloger judgment. It's maddening to encounter information of this kind for which no source is given, since there are, alas, some catalogers who know just enough to create plausible sounding misinformation that has to be followed up and corrected.

It's hard to report original analytic work, or just stuff I've noticed, anonymously--I find myself involved in all sorts of ridiculous passively periphrastic tangles as I try to report in such a way as to evidence some degree of credibility (which itself is subject to the "six month" rule--aka "What was I thinking?").

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu<mailto:DJLeslie at folger.edu>> wrote:
I get it, you don't like calling them "variants," while I was objecting to calling them two issues. I also caution against the copy-specific information in the general note; and especially against using a ‡5. Some institutions, such as ours, routinely strip all fields that have a ‡5 that's not DFo. The place for the copy-specific information is in a local or copy-specific note.

Here's a record I did recently with a similar situation: http://hamnet.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=229986<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__hamnet.folger.edu_cgi-2Dbin_Pwebrecon.cgi-3FBBID-3D229986&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=z7NicJkNYFkVLEcQmeSRBA7uLawvKWXubuodzMMWnVw&m=nJ8jbxrS5-QF6mw5zwm1zfPxi4OUQGGqFuT5SZf4Oww&s=_Ds5Okjv9kCT3b-OGzcYEc1X4j9UyPgstb6R5zqNw_A&e=>. Even though it's been over six months, I still agree with it.* (-;

*Six-month rule: No cataloger agrees with the work of another cataloger; no cataloger agrees with her own work six months later.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 15:23
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

That's not what I meant. If as here, within the one issue, there are 2 varying states of indeterminate precedence, to say that one copy exemplifies "the variant" is not quite right, if the last sentence is quoted alone. You have the "6-page variant" and the "10-page variant", neither of which is "the variant", as far as you care to know.

This is a ridiculously refined point of diction in this context, though there's nothing wrong with being as unambiguous as possible, as well as succinct. I should have included a tone-of-voice emoji indicating that my suggestion was maybe a bit much.

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu<mailto:DJLeslie at folger.edu>> wrote:
This time I disagree with Richard. What you have are two variant states of the same issue, not two issues of the same edition.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 12:51
To: Barbara Tysinger; DCRM Users' Group

Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

Looks good to me .. of course. But it also feels good to write notes like this that I will understand long after I've done another few hundred books and can't quite remember all the details of this one--which is a pretty good test whether it will make sense to anyone else. It could be set up so as to treat each state as a variant of the other ("Who you callin' a variant, you varmint!"), but your version does the trick just fine.

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Barbara Tysinger <btysingr at email.unc.edu<mailto:btysingr at email.unc.edu>> wrote:
Thanks, Richard!

Final version of note?

"This record represents 2 issues of this edition, distinguished by a variation in the pagination of the preface. In the variant the preface is set in a smaller typeface, printed on 6 (vi) pages. Not evaluated for textual variation. Variant in the Sheldon Peck Collection on the History of Orthodontics and Dental Medicine, at the Health Sciences Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. ǂ5 NcU-H"

Barbara

On 3/23/2016 9:50 AM, Noble, Richard wrote:
The only thing you might add--only if you are allowed/allow yourself the time to do it--is to remark whether there is any textual variation. If I decided not to collate the texts, I might add, in cataloger passive, "(not evaluated for textual variation)" or something like that, but would pretty certainly cite my institution as having the variant and add $5, which serves as a sort of institutional cataloger signature.

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On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Shiner, Elaine P. <eshiner at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:eshiner at fas.harvard.edu>> wrote:
Yes, I agree with Deborah and Richard. I was thinking more about what was allowed in OCLC.

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should ☺

Elaine Shiner,
Rare Book Cataloger
Houghton Library, Harvard University

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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:02 PM

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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

Congratulations, Barbara—isn't it satisfying to find new things like that?

I agree with Richard. What you've described are variant states of an issue and should not be on different records. If, say, there was a statement on the title page about changes or revisions, then you'd probably be dealing with different issues, which would require a new record according to DCRM(B).

From the DCRM(B) glossary:
*Issue. A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by one or more differences designed expressly to identify the group as a discrete unit.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 15:34
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

If the difference is clearly only physical--the same text crammed onto fewer pages--then this could be regarded as a case of variant states within a single issue (manifestation). A 500 note giving the details would be a useful addition to the OCLC master record (including reference to the copy that is your evidence for the difference).

If there is any sort of significant difference in the text, then it might be described as a different issue, as such justifying its own dcrmb master record, though again some sort of note would be required. No doubt the holdings attached to the NLM master record represent both variants, which cannot be sorted out in any practicable way. I've written a few notes beginning, say, "This record represents 2 issues of this edition, distinguished by ...". There's just no other way to explain it.

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On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Shiner, Elaine P. <eshiner at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:eshiner at fas.harvard.edu>> wrote:
According to OCLC guidelines on When to Input a New Record, a “ variation in preliminary paging, post paging or separate paging” (not sure what they mean by ‘separate paging’) does not justify making a new record.  If you made a new record, and the preliminary pagination was the only difference, your record might merge with that of  the x, 440 p. issue.

You can make a new record, however, if you use the rare book rules (dcrmb)

Elaine
Elaine Shiner,
Rare Book Cataloger
Houghton Library, Harvard University

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617-496-9190<tel:617-496-9190>

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>] On Behalf Of Barbara Tysinger
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:23 PM
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Unrecognized variant?

Hello All,

I think I may have an unrecognized variant of De la prothèse immédiate, appliquée a la résection des maxillaires (1889) by Claude Martin.

The records in OCLC all have the pagination as x, 440 pages, but the copy I have is vi, 440 pages, the Roman numerals in both cases representing the preface.

Compared to the digitized copy at The Internet Archive ( http://archive.org/stream/delaprothseimm00mart#page/n9/mode/2up<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archive.org_stream_delaprothseimm00mart-23page_n9_mode_2up&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=z7NicJkNYFkVLEcQmeSRBA7uLawvKWXubuodzMMWnVw&m=nJ8jbxrS5-QF6mw5zwm1zfPxi4OUQGGqFuT5SZf4Oww&s=hXbOVyJm4IfAd86Ywzln9uxA18rEQnHxlPl1WHGEMY4&e=> ), the content of the preface in my copy is the same, but is set in a smaller font, taking less space. The title page, colophon, and main text block appear to be the same.

Is this a variation worthy of a new record? Or should I use the existing NLM record in OCLC, and just make a change in the local catalog (with appropriate notation, of course).

Thanks!
Barbara
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