[DCRM-L] Question about relator term #e depicted

[Matthew C. Haugen]

I haven't encountered these particular terms in use myself, but it is
optional to use relationship designators from vocabularies outside of RDA
(including RBMS and MARC Relators), according to PCC guidance on
relationship designators in bibliographic records.
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/sct/documents/rel-desig-guide-bib.pdf

And Bob has pointed out the option in Authority records. It looks like SAC
subcommittees are pushing for this more faceted approach to subject, form,
genre, setting, audience, etc., instead of combined subject terms/strings.
Perhaps other national and specialist communities/agencies are developing
their own best practices and guidance about what to prefer as well?

Just for background, the MARC relator "depicted" was added to the MARC list
in the Technical Notice of March 26, 2002: https://www.loc.gov/cds/notice
s/notcodes.html

And the MARC relator "Setting" was added in the Technical Notice of
February 5, 2013: http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/tn130205rel.html

<http://connect.ala.org/node/84114>
In 2014 ALA had proposed "depiction of" and "set in" as subject
relationship designators in RDA (http://rda-jsc.org/6JSC/ALA/31), but at
some point in the review process, these were removed from the final version
of the proposal accepted by the JSC.

Matt

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Will Evans <evans at bostonathenaeum.org>
wrote:

> When did we start using these relator terms in 6XXs? Is it a common
> practice now? Are we to prefer these terms over $v Portraits and $v
> Pictorial works?
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Matthew C. Haugen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:17 AM
> *To:* DCRM Users' Group
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] Question about relator term #e depicted
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> If I recall correctly, both "depicted" and "setting" relators were
> developed with the intent to parse out these types of relationships from
> the subject or "about" relationship. Examples in the MARC21 bibliographic
> format documentation for various 6xx fields include examples of "depicted"
> with a range of entity types:
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> 60010$aMonroe, Marilyn,$d1926-1962,$edepicted.
> [Silkscreen of Marilyn Monroe]
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> 60010$aClovio, Giulio,$d1498-1578,$edepicted.
> [Portrait of the miniaturist Giulio Clovio]
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> 61010$aUnited States.$bSupreme Court,$edepicted.
> [Group photo of the justices of the Supreme Court.]
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> 61010$aUnited States.$bArmy.$bCavalry, 7th.$bCompany E,$edepicted.
> [Picture of a Cavalry troop.]
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> 61120$aDerby (Horse race)$xHistory$y20th century$jdepicted.
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> 63000$aDomesday book,$edepicted.
> [Photo of the Domesday book.]
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> 650#0$aSeabiscuit (Race horse),$edepicted.
> [Photograph of Seabiscuit, the race horse.]
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> 650#0$aUnicorns,$edepicted.
> [Bayeux Tapestry, showing a unicorn.]
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> 651#0$aNiagara Falls (N.Y. and Ont.),$edepicted.
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> 651#0$aBonneville Salt Flats (Utah),$edepicted.
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> Matt
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> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Lapka, Francis <francis.lapka at yale.edu>
> wrote:
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> Allison,
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> I suppose there’s nothing to stop an agency from using the term in a
> narrow sense, e.g. paired only with individual persons.
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> But taking it as defined, *depicted* can be used with any entity – which
> means just about anything goes. An entity can be a person, group of
> persons, and so much more (any *thing*, real or fictional). Note also the
> MARC relator term *setting*:
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> *Setting [stg]*  An entity in which the activity or plot of a work takes
> place, e.g. a geographic place, a time period, a building, an event
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> There, examples of entities include “geographic place, a time period, a
> building, an event.” It seems normal to me (and useful!) that *depicted*
> should also be paired with the same variety of entities.
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> Francis
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Allison Rich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:45 AM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] Question about relator term #e depicted
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>
> Hi All:
>
> I just worked with Ellen Cordes at the Lewis Walpole Library for a few
> days recently in order to learn how to catalogue graphic materials using
> DCRMG.
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> I had a fantastic time and Ellen is a wonderful teacher.
>
> I started to put it into practice when I got back to my library and have
> run across a question which Ellen suggested I pose to the list:
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> It involves the correct usage of the relator term #e depicted.
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> The definition of the relator term reads:
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> "Depicted [dpc] -- An entity depicted or portrayed in a work,
> particularly in a work of art"
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> Does the word "entity" have any weight here. Can I use the term with a
> group of persons (e.g. Jesuits or Quakers) or can it only apply to a single
> person, whether real of fictional?
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> Thanks for your advice and input.
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> Best,
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> Allison
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> Allison Rich
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