[DCRM-L] Lady day date confusion

[Jessie Sherwood]

I refer to Cheney's Handbook of dates for students of English history on
the (blessedly rare) occasions when I have to cope with English books.



On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 7:37 AM Erin Blake via DCRM-L <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
wrote:

> It's even more complicated than that: Lady Day Dating and the
> Julian/Gregorian Calendar are two separate things. Here's how I explained
> the difference to myself, which later went into a Folger blog post:
>>
>> It’s especially important for researchers working with British documents
>> to remember that Lady Day dating (affecting year numbering every 1 January
>> through 24 March) and the Julian calendar (affecting day numbering year
>> round) are separate because they were not modernized at the same time.
>> Scotland officially dropped Lady Day dating after 31 December 1599, which
>> was followed by 1 January 1600, but continued to use the Julian calendar
>> until Wednesday 2 September 1752, which was followed by Thursday 14
>> September 1752. England and Wales also switched from the Julian calendar in
>> September 1752, but had already modernized year numbering the previous
>> January (31 December 1751 was followed by 1 January 1752).
>
> See https://www.folger.edu/blogs/collation/untangling-dating/ for the
> whole post.
>
> Short version: if you've got an English imprint with an exact day and
> year, and the day was within 1 January and 24 March, and the year was 1751
> or earlier, add one to the year.
>
> Erin
>
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> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 10:22 AM Huber, Seth via DCRM-L <
> dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I am working on some English political pamphlets primarily from the
>> 1640s. Most of the records I have found in OCLC take the year as given on
>> the piece, but in some cases the ESTC records have noted that Lady day
>> dating has been used, while entries that exist in Wing take the date as
>> given. I have not dealt with Lady day dating to this point, so I’m
>> wondering if I should assume that it applies to everything printed before
>> the region of origin adopted the Gregorian calendar or only take it into
>> account when specified in a union list or some other reference source? At
>> this point I can’t tell if I am overthinking or what and I would be glad
>> for clarification on this. Thanks,
>>
>> Seth Huber
>>
>> Technical Services Librarian/Head of Cataloging
>>
>> University of Missouri—Columbia
>>
>> huberse at missouri.edu
>>
>> 573-884-4648
>>
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Jessie Sherwood
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