[DCRM-L] transcription of phonetic alphabet

Mon Jan 27 09:46:03 MST 2025

Thank you very much, Erin! Exactly what I need!
The regional accent certainly does add an interesting layer.

Best,
Chloe

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Whoops, make that:
[Dh]e buk ov Samz : in Mikmak.
Ba[th] (Bath) : Printed for [dh]e Briti[sh] and Foren Beibel S[ō]seieti bei Eizak Pitman, 1859.

Title page verso: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, F[ō]netik Institincon [sic], Parson[ē]dj l[ē]n, Ba[th]
Colophon: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, F[ō]netik Institi[ū]t, Parson[ē]dj l[ē]n, Ba[th]

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This is fascinating! Here’s my take on it.

The text is in the English language, same as Deseret, so I think the Deseret romanization table (https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/deseret.pdf<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/deseret.pdf__;!!DZ3fjg!5GKsMwMsV-JTn2Q3FpvW6Ms-A8tfjag2sohtXItjoSUf_HgJQe9BCI1YWmiPPBN8og1EwPiAdT28A6i1gWKu2mY$>) provides a good model for how to represent the sounds. For example, you would need to differentiate between the “voiced dental fricative phoneme” in “THE” and the “voiceless dental fricative phoneme” in “BATH” (descriptions quoted from the Wikipedia article on the Pronunciation of English ⟨th⟩<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_**Bth**B__;4p-o4p-p!!DZ3fjg!5GKsMwMsV-JTn2Q3FpvW6Ms-A8tfjag2sohtXItjoSUf_HgJQe9BCI1YWmiPPBN8og1EwPiAdT28A6i1wk1Bnd0$>) because the Deseret table uses “dh” and “th” respectively. The shape difference isn’t the same as a pre-modern “s” being a short-s at the end of a word and a long-s elsewhere in a word.

DCRMR 0.4.14.1 says “replace symbols or other matter that cannot be reproduced using available typographical facilities with a cataloger’s description in square brackets” unless it’s a rebus, in which case DCRMR 0.4.17.1 says “replace pictures … with the intended words in square brackets.” Extrapolating from the rebus instruction, I think you can logically supply the intended sound in square brackets. The appropriate way to represent the sound in a catalog record can be gleaned from the Deseret romanization table.

I’d be inclined to go with something like this (with lots of 246s and notes):

[Dh]e buk ov Samz : in Mikmak.
Ba[th] (Bath) : Printed for [th]e Briti[sh] and Foren Beibel S[ō]seieti bei Eizak Pitman, 1859.

Title page verso: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, F[ō]netik Institincon [sic], Parson[ē]dj l[ē]n, Ba[th]
Colophon: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, F[ō]netik Institi[ū]t, Parson[ē]dj l[ē]n, Ba[th]

I’m especially delighted by the way his accent comes out in Parsoneedj Leen.

Thanks for the enjoyable the puzzle!

Best,

Erin

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Greetings,
I would like to update the record for a Micmac language Book of Psalms (1859), translated by Silas Tertius Rand adapting characters from Isaac Pitman’s and Alexander John Ellis’s phonetic alphabet.
A surrogate is available here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100263106<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100263106__;!!DZ3fjg!5GKsMwMsV-JTn2Q3FpvW6Ms-A8tfjag2sohtXItjoSUf_HgJQe9BCI1YWmiPPBN8og1EwPiAdT28A6i18kJQx4o$>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%27kmaq_language#Writing_system<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi*27kmaq_language*Writing_system__;JSM!!DZ3fjg!5GKsMwMsV-JTn2Q3FpvW6Ms-A8tfjag2sohtXItjoSUf_HgJQe9BCI1YWmiPPBN8og1EwPiAdT28A6i1pcgblBo$>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/English_Phonotypic_Alphabet_-_1847.png<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/English_Phonotypic_Alphabet_-_1847.png__;!!DZ3fjg!5GKsMwMsV-JTn2Q3FpvW6Ms-A8tfjag2sohtXItjoSUf_HgJQe9BCI1YWmiPPBN8og1EwPiAdT28A6i1TvMOxZs$>

There are several OCLC records available, some that substitute unavailable characters for approximate characters, some that supply the intended sound in square brackets, and some that do neither (OCLC 234125621, 977838576, and 15068741, respectively, for examples). There is a romanization table for Deseret, which was also based on the Pitman system, but not sure whether the same principles apply, and many of the characters are different. Should long and short vowels be distinguished and how? Sounds supplied?

My thoughts are along the lines below:
[Th]e Buk ov Samz : $b in Mikmak.
Printed for [th]e Briti[sh] and Foren Beibel Sōseieti, bei Eizak Pitman, Ba[th] (Bath) (but the character “th” character in “THE” at head of title doesn’t match the one in the first “BATH”)
T.p. verso: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, Fōnetik Institincon, Parson[ee]dj l[ee]n Ba[th]
Colophon: Printed bei Eizak Pitman, Fōnetik Institi[oo]t, Parson[ee]dj l[ee]n Ba[th]

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Chloe

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