DCRM(S) area 4

[Patrick J. Russell]

Sorry about my delay in replying, trying to iron out retirement details,
adjusting to new situation, andworking part time at Grad. Theological Union
Library (Berkeley).  However, here goes on Serials (not my forte)

i agree basically with Jane's point on Roman numerals, and with the need to
transribe addresses.

Also, I agree that as much as possible we should be consistent acroos
"formats" (books, serials, maps, etc.)  Of course this is not always
possible, but many variations seem to me arbitrary, and confusing to user of
the catalog, let alone time consuming for the cataloger to figure out which
"convention" to follow.

As to "what" should be $b or $c (the "moon" instance) to some extent this is
question of interpretation and context.  I'll take the person's word for it
that in the case in point "sign of the moon" refers to date(s), but it
could, in a certain context, be an address or "name" of a place of ...
Agree that if "date" data, should go in $c.

Patrick



  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-dcrb-l at lib.byu.edu [mailto:owner-dcrb-l at lib.byu.edu]On Behalf
Of Jane Gillis
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:36 AM
  To: dcrb-l at lib.byu.edu
  Subject: Re: DCRM(S) area 4


  I am sending this again.  Don't know if everyone got it.

  While everyone is thinking about Juliet's question on area 4, may I add
another concerning Roman numerals?

  Bob pointed out that DCRM(S) differed from DCRB in the area of Roman
numerals, which are:

  Roman numerals.  When roman numerals appear as Gregorian or Julian years,
change them to arabic numerals unless they are erroneous or misprinted.

  , anno gratiae 1614
  (On publication: Anno gratiae MDCXIV)

  Transcribe years other than Gregorian or Julian as they appear.

  , an VII 1798
  (On publication: An VII, 1798)

  Optionally, if it is considered important to retain in the catalog record
the exact expression of the date, transcribe the date as it appears in roman
numerals and add the date in arabic numerals in square brackets.

  , MDCLVI [1656]

  Fictitious or incorrect dates.  When the year of publication or printing
is known to be fictitious or is incorrect, transcribe it as it appears and
add the real or correct year in square brackets.  (If the full imprint is
fictitious or incorrect, apply 4A4.)

  , DMLII [i.e. 1552]

  Juliet and I have discussed these rules and have decided that we will
follow what DCRM will be doing in other formats, especially (G) and (B).
Before we change what we have, the committee should consider whether any
changes are to be made to DCRM.  Specifically,

  1. Why change Roman numerals to arabic, without brackets, only when the
numerals appear as Gregorian or Julian years?

  2. And only those Gregorian or Julian years that are not erroneous or
misprinted?

  3. What is the reason for not transcribing Roman numerals as Roman
numerals no matter what they stand for in the imprint?

  4. Is the date not a transcribed area?

  The simplest solution would seem to be to transcribe what is there,
bracketing if needed the arabic numeral.   Optionally, if the Roman numerals
are not considered important, bracket their translation into arabic
numerals.  The rule concerning Roman numerals would be much simpler.

  How do the rest of you feel?



  Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger|  Sterling Memorial Library
  Yale University | New Haven CT  06520
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