[DCRM-L] Relator terms

[Manon Theroux]

There is also this example in the ‡5 section on that same page:

710 2 Bridgewater Library, ‡e former owner. ‡5 NjP

-Manon

At 09:44 AM 12/5/2006, Ann W. Copeland wrote:
>The OCLC documentation itself 
>http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/710.shtm 
>for the 710 lists the subfield e as optional:
>
>‡e Relator term       A designation of function 
>that describes the relationship between a name and a work (e.g., defendants).
>710 2 Eastman Kodak Company, ‡e defendant-appellant.
>
>Relator codes, which also specify a relationship 
>of a person to a work, are contained in subfield ‡4.
>
>
>I would question this with the OCLC reviewer, Bob.
>
>
>Annie Copeland
>Penn State
>
>At 09:05 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of 
>>relator terms, both for individuals and corporate bodies.
>>
>>At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>>Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators 
>>>for printers and booksellers identified as a 
>>>corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes 
>>>Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [ 
>>>mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
>>>To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>One of the most common uses of relators in 710 
>>>must be for indexing former ownership by 
>>>institutions (e.g. monastic, British Museum 
>>>duplicates, and so on).  We would have hundreds if not thousands of these.
>>>
>>>Best wishes
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>*********************************************
>>>Dr Brian Hillyard
>>>Rare Book Collections Manager
>>>National Library of Scotland
>>>George IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW
>>>E-mail: <mailto:b.hillyard at nls.uk>b.hillyard at nls.uk
>>>Direct dial: +44 (0)131 623 3889
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>>>----------
>>>From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [ 
>>>mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>>>Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
>>>To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>
>>>Dear DCRMers,
>>>
>>>We seem to be winding down somewhat on the 
>>>final touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd 
>>>introduce another topic entirely :-) Speaking 
>>>of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to 
>>>Manon, Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to this!
>>>
>>>
>>>As many of you are, we are an RLIN library 
>>>working on the transition to OCLC. We've taped 
>>>our records to OCLC for years but never 
>>>cataloged in the system. In order to continue 
>>>our PCC BIBCO work we recently applied for and 
>>>were granted the appropriate cataloging 
>>>enhance statuses. However there was a small 
>>>glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, 
>>>and I chose a variety of BYU original records 
>>>that were already in OCLC through our 
>>>tapeloading. This sample included a few of my 
>>>own cataloging records. Although we were given 
>>>the enhance status we needed, a few of the 
>>>records were returned to me with "problems" 
>>>circled in red. And these "problems" were all 
>>>on my records and they were all instances 
>>>where I had included relator terms with added entries :-(
>>>
>>>The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 
>>>21.0D supposedly forbids the use of relator 
>>>terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows relators to 
>>>be used with personal names, not corporate bodies.
>>>
>>>Now the answer to (1) seems fairly 
>>>straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is 
>>>explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it 
>>>need not apply outside LC (and as a matter of 
>>>fact I happen to know that the LC Practice 
>>>label was added specifically so that BIBCO 
>>>catalogers could use relator terms).
>>>
>>>The answer to (2) is a little more 
>>>tricky--frankly I had never dreamed that we 
>>>couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher" 
>>>after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e 
>>>printer or Book Club of California, $e 
>>>publisher), but now that it has been pointed 
>>>out to me 21.0D does in fact say "In the cases 
>>>noted below, add [a] ... designation of 
>>>function to an added entry for a person". 
>>>(MARC documentation certainly allows for use 
>>>of relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told 
>>>by someone at LC that it had been recently 
>>>proposed to JSC to correct this and add 
>>>corporate bodies to the rule but it had been 
>>>withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't remember anything about such a proposal.
>>>
>>>As the new kid on the block I don't really 
>>>want to get a reputation for belligerency (and 
>>>in fact I really don't WANT to be 
>>>belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this 
>>>and so I intend to bring it up with the person 
>>>who examined our records, but after I've 
>>>consulted you folks. It does seem to me that 
>>>relator terms add quite a bit of value to 
>>>entries, especially considering FRBR's 
>>>emphasis on clarifying the relationships 
>>>between entities (e.g. between persons or 
>>>corporate bodies and works, expressions, 
>>>manifestations, or items). They are also 
>>>essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am 
>>>talking about relator terms, not codes, by the way.
>>>
>>>I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two 
>>>fronts: (1) I have been assuming that most of 
>>>the rare cataloging community does use relator 
>>>terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so 
>>>I'd be interested in hearing what your 
>>>practice is (including do you use them with 
>>>corporate bodies, and does your library use 
>>>them outside special collections cataloging); 
>>>and (2) those of you who are experienced OCLC 
>>>catalogers, including enhance libraries, do 
>>>you use them in OCLC master records? I suppose 
>>>one could enhance or create the master record 
>>>and then add relators to the local record but 
>>>that does seem a bit a shame to me ...
>>>
>>>And of course anything else you have to say 
>>>about this issue would be of great interest. 
>>>And any other tips on becoming a successful OCLC cataloging entity!
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>Robert L. Maxwell
>>>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>>Brigham Young University
>>>Provo, UT 84602
>>>(801)422-5568
>>
>>____________________________________________
>>
>>Manon Théroux
>>Authority Control Librarian
>>Catalog Department
>>Yale University Library
>>P.O. Box 208240
>>New Haven, CT 06520-8240
>>
>>203-432-8376 (tel)
>>203-432-7231 (fax)
>>manon.theroux at yale.edu 
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