[DCRM-L] Relator terms

Wed Dec 6 13:30:26 MST 2006

The Lilly Library uses relator terms and these are input into OCLC for 
original records.  We use them far more for personal names than for 
corporate names, but there are corporate names with realtor terms as 
well.

Elizabeth Johnson

Quoting Randal Brandt <rbrandt at library.berkeley.edu>:

> And for UC Berkeley as well, although we use relator codes not relator terms.
>
> Randy
>
>
> At 11:18 AM 12/5/2006, Ryan Hildebrand wrote:
>> This is also true for UC Irvine.
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
>> Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
>> UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>> 92623-9557
>> Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949) 824-2472
>>
>> On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:
>>> UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and
>>> corporate bodies and these are input into the master records at
>>> OCLC.
>>>
>>> ~Arvid Nelsen
>>>
>>> R. Arvid Nelsen
>>> Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies Librarian
>>> University of California, San Diego
>>> Mandeville Special Collections Library
>>> 9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S
>>> La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
>>> Phone: 858-534-6766
>>> Fax: 858-534-5950
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> <mailto:ejh at grolierclub.org>ejh at grolierclub.org 12/05/06 06:05AM >>>
>>> The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both
>>> for individuals and corporate bodies.
>>>
>>> At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
>>>> Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and
>>>> booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_
>>>> Haeredes Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [
>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> One of the most common uses of relators in 710 must be for
>>>> indexing former ownership by institutions (e.g. monastic, British
>>>> Museum duplicates, and so on).  We would have hundreds if not
>>>> thousands of these.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> *********************************************
>>>> Dr Brian Hillyard
>>>> Rare Book Collections Manager
>>>> National Library of Scotland
>>>> George IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW
>>>> E-mail: <mailto:b.hillyard at nls.uk>b.hillyard at nls.uk
>>>> Direct dial: +44 (0)131 623 3889
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>>>> ----------
>>>> From:
>>>> <mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu>dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [
>>>> mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>>>> Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
>>>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>>>> Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms
>>>>
>>>> Dear DCRMers,
>>>>
>>>> We seem to be winding down somewhat on the final touches to DCRM,
>>>> so I thought I'd introduce another topic entirely :-) Speaking of
>>>> which, MANY congratulations and thanks to Manon, Deborah, and all
>>>> you others who have contributed so much to this!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As many of you are, we are an RLIN library working on the
>>>> transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for years but
>>>> never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC BIBCO
>>>> work we recently applied for and were granted the appropriate
>>>> cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a small glitch.
>>>> OCLC wanted a set of sample records, and I chose a variety of BYU
>>>> original records that were already in OCLC through our
>>>> tapeloading. This sample included a few of my own cataloging
>>>> records. Although we were given the enhance status we needed, a
>>>> few of the records were returned to me with "problems" circled in
>>>> red. And these "problems" were all on my records and they were all
>>>> instances where I had included relator terms with added entries :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly
>>>> forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows
>>>> relators to be used with personal names, not corporate bodies.
>>>>
>>>> Now the answer to (1) seems fairly straightforward to me--LCRI
>>>> 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it need not
>>>> apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to know that
>>>> the LC Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO
>>>> catalogers could use relator terms).
>>>>
>>>> The answer to (2) is a little more tricky--frankly I had never
>>>> dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher" after
>>>> a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club of
>>>> California, $e publisher), but now that it has been pointed out to
>>>> me 21.0D does in fact say "In the cases noted below, add [a] ...
>>>> designation of function to an added entry for a person". (MARC
>>>> documentation certainly allows for use of relators terms in 710
>>>> fields.) I was told by someone at LC that it had been recently
>>>> proposed to JSC to correct this and add corporate bodies to the
>>>> rule but it had been withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't remember
>>>> anything about such a proposal.
>>>>
>>>> As the new kid on the block I don't really want to get a
>>>> reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really don't WANT to be
>>>> belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend to
>>>> bring it up with the person who examined our records, but after
>>>> I've consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator terms
>>>> add quite a bit of value to entries, especially considering FRBR's
>>>> emphasis on clarifying the relationships between entities (e.g.
>>>> between persons or corporate bodies and works, expressions,
>>>> manifestations, or items). They are also essential to the indexing
>>>> in our catalog. I am talking about relator terms, not codes, by
>>>> the way.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have been
>>>> assuming that most of the rare cataloging community does use
>>>> relator terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd be
>>>> interested in hearing what your practice is (including do you use
>>>> them with corporate bodies, and does your library use them outside
>>>> special collections cataloging); and (2) those of you who are
>>>> experienced OCLC catalogers, including enhance libraries, do you
>>>> use them in OCLC master records? I suppose one could enhance or
>>>> create the master record and then add relators to the local record
>>>> but that does seem a bit a shame to me ...
>>>>
>>>> And of course anything else you have to say about this issue would
>>>> be of great interest. And any other tips on becoming a successful
>>>> OCLC cataloging entity!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Robert L. Maxwell
>>>> Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>>>> Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>>>> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>> (801)422-5568
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Eric Holzenberg
>>> Director
>>> The Grolier Club
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
>> UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
>> 92623-9557
>> Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949) 824-2472
>
> __________________________
> Randal Brandt
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> The Bancroft Library
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