[DCRM-L] Recording symbols

Thu Nov 30 15:35:37 MST 2006

Manon,
 	Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.  I'm not sure 
whether the Spanish word for "fist" (puno with a tilde) is what I want, 
but I will check.  I do wonder about an example for DCRB, however.  In 
this case, the symbol does seem pretty "integral."  I don't know that 
"esta senal" makes much sense without a referent for "esta."
 	Larry Creider

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, 
Manon Theroux wrote:

> Larry,
>
> LCRI 1.0E goes into this issue in greater detail. I've copied relevant bits 
> of the LCRI below, though you might want to read through the whole thing 
> (which has a lot of examples). Whether or not to transcribe the symbol 
> depends on whether or not the symbol is judged to be an integral part of the 
> title. If you do want to transcribe, you use the language of the title. If 
> you don't know how to express the symbol in the language of the title, you 
> use English.
>
> Like Deborah, "fist" is what came to mind for me (in English). Not sure of 
> the Spanish equivalent.
>
> -Manon
>
> ======================
>
> Signs and Symbols
>
> The objective in treating signs and symbols not represented in the character 
> set is to render or convey the intention without undue time and effort and 
> with a minimum of interpolation, using one of the techniques described in 
> this section. Note that a minimum of interpolation is wanted because those 
> searching the machine catalog cannot very often be expected to "second-guess" 
> the cataloger in this respect, i.e., users will normally formulate search 
> queries that necessarily do not take interpolations into account. As judged 
> appropriate, use notes to explain and added entries to provide additional 
> access; the examples below are illustrative, not prescriptive.
>
> 1) If the symbol is judged not to be an integral or essential part of the 
> title, do not intervene in the transcription. Instead, omit the symbol; 
> explain its presence in a note if it is judged worth mentioning.
>
> transcription: 245 10 $a "W" today! Tomorrow?
> (On the title page the traditional female symbol appears under the letter "W" 
> but the preface makes it clear that the symbol is not intended to form part 
> of the title and gives the full title)
> suggested note: 500 ## $a On t.p. the symbol for female appears under the 
> letter "W"
> added entry: 246 30 $a Women today! Tomorrow?
>
> <snip>
>
> 4) Substitute in the language of the context the word, phrase, etc., that is 
> the obvious spoken/written equivalent (if unknown in the language of the 
> context, use English); bracket the interpolated equivalent. If the element in 
> the source is not preceded or followed by a space, in general precede or 
> follow the bracketed interpolation by a space unless the preceding or 
> following character in the source is itself also a separator or unless the 
> use of a space would create an unintended result for searching.
>
> transcription: 245 10 $a I [love] a piano
> suggested note: 500 ## $a On t.p. "[love]" appears as a heart
>
> Exception 1: Do not transcribe characters that indicate birth (e.g., an 
> asterisk) or death (e.g., a dagger) even if such characters are in the 
> character set. Do not use a mark of omission; instead, explain the omission 
> in a note.
>
> Exception 2: Ignore symbols indicating trademark (registered or otherwise), 
> patent, etc. These include a superscript or subscript "R" enclosed in a 
> circle (®) (ignore although included in the character set) and the 
> superscript or subscript letters "TM" (™). Do not explain their presence in a 
> note. (Ignore such symbols also when they appear with elements used in 
> headings.)
>
> If the spoken/written equivalent is not obvious or if there is doubt that it 
> is obvious or if it is unknown, give an explanation or a description in the 
> language of the context (if unknown in the language of the context, use 
> English).
>
> If a title consists solely of a sign or symbol or one or more marks of 
> punctuation, provide an equivalent in all cases, even if the particular 
> symbol is itself in the character set.
>
>
>
> At 12:23 PM 11/30/2006, Deborah J. Leslie wrote:
>> Is it a fist?
>> 
>> We don't transcribe or describe non-textual symbols such as paragraph 
>> marks, rules, and the like. Why would we interpolate a description of a 
>> fist, if that is what it is?
>> 
>> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>> Head of CatalogingFolger Shakespeare Library
>> 201 East Capitol St., S.E.
>> Washington, DC 20003
>> 202.675-0369
>> djleslie at folger.edu
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu on behalf of Laurence Creider
>> Sent: Thu 2006-11-30 12:05
>> To: DCRM Revision Group List
>> Subject: [DCRM-L] Recording symbols
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folks,
>>         I am currently cataloging a work with a title and statement of
>> responsibility that says:
>> Tiernos afectos de amor, temor, humildad, y confianza ?h [microform] : ?b
>> con que clama en dulces soliloquios una alma, que arrepentida llora, y
>> ansiosa suspira por su verdadero bien / ?c dispuestos en decimas, las
>> cincuenta y tres asignadas con esta sen~al [] por el Lic. D. Diego
>> Calderon ... y las restantes por el Rdo. P. predicador Fr. Francisco de
>> las Llagas, hijo de la santa provincia de San Diego de la Serafica
>> Descalzes de Nro^. P. San Francisco ...
>> 
>> Following the word senal is a small hand with the bottom figure extended.
>> Other records for this title go straight from senal to por with no
>> indication of an omission.  My reading of DCRB 0F and DCRM(B) 0G1.2 is
>> that I should provide a cataloger's description of the hand in brackets.
>> 
>> There is a common term for this symbol; can anyone tell me what it is?
>> 
>> Now the point that makes all this relevant to this list is that DCRM(B)
>> 0F1.2 says to give interpolations into the title area in the language of
>> the publication.  Does this mean that the cataloger's description should
>> be in Spanish?  Or not?  In either case, an example might be a good idea.
>> 
>> If the description should be in Spanish, any suggestions on what the
>> terminology should be?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> In puzzlement,
>>         Larry Creider
>> 
>> Laurence S. Creider, Ph.D., M.S.L.S.
>> Head, General Cataloging Unit
>> New Mexico State University
>> Las Cruces, NM  88003
>> Work: 505-646-4707
>> Fax: 505-646-7477
>> lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Laurence S. Creider, Ph.D., M.S.L.S.
Head, General Cataloging Unit
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM  88003
Work: 505-646-4707
Fax: 505-646-7477
lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu