[DCRM-L] Title and Statement of Responsibility Area

[Deborah J. Leslie]

I don’t think Bob’s example fits what we’re talking about because the issue we’re discussing is qualifications that follow the name (1E8), not terms of address (1E7.)

 

I disagree that “grammatically necessary” is more meaningful than “grammatically inseparable;” it’s wobblier, open to more interpretation. Picking up on Larry’s email (which I haven’t digested yet, only glanced at), perhaps we could put something  in the glossary. “Grammatically inseparable” means that whatever is transcribed stands on its own grammatically according to the case endings, &c. “John Smith” does  stand on its own, and so “John Smith” of the phrase “John Smith of the Royal Society” is grammatically independent, which means in turn that “of the Royal Society” may be omitted (although as Manon and I both indicated, it is not best practice to do so). 

 

OR, I wonder if we should be using some variation of the term “syntactically necessary?” If my understanding of the meaning of “syntax” is correct, then this is a more specific description. Does it get at, and get at better, what we’re trying to achieve, which is to permit “of the Royal Society” to be omitted using the mark of omission? 

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Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Title and Statement of Responsibility Area

 

The example in AACR2  1.1F7 is an excellent example of grammatically inseparable (though AACR2 calls it "necessary grammatically"): "prólogo del Excmo. Sr. D. Manuel Fraga Iribarne". The title is "Excmo. Sr." (and maybe "D."? For the sake of argument let's say it is). "del" is not part of the title--at least the preposition part and I would argue that the article part isn't either. So if you left the title out you would wind up with "prólogo del Manuel Fraga Iribarne," which doesn't make sense. I.e. it is grammatically inseparable--can't be separated from the phrase without making a grammatical mess. 

 

I agree "of the Royal Society" is not an example of "grammatically inseparable" (or for that matter "necessary grammatically"). As Manon mentions, were also thinking of places where case endings come into play, but that wasn't all.

 

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