[DCRM-L] Citing the new ESTC

[Jane Gillis]

I agree with Brian.  This may not be the last change in how we access 
the ESTC.  We already have at least 3--RLIN, BL and STAR.  As Deborah 
wrote, numbers are not static, so we really would need to put the 
date accessed.  What about all the ESTC (RLIN) citations that are now 
wrong?  ESTC is much simpler not only for inputting but for searching.

Jane

At 11:42 AM 10/16/2006 Monday+0100, Hillyard, Brian wrote:
>But I don't see that you could do a global change from ESTC (RLIN) 
>to ESTC (BL) [or whatever] because that ignores the principle that 
>the reference is correct only at the time when book and record are compared.
>
>Mirroring the CD-ROM and microfiche citations, the only satisfactory 
>citation would be one giving the date when the book/record 
>comparison was made ....  The advantage of specifying the resource 
>would be as a rough way of indicating how long ago the reference was 
>made.  But are most users going to have the background 
>knowledge?  (If this is the intention, Standard Citation Forms 
>should give dates for BLAISE, RLIN, etc. versions, which it doesn't.)
>
>Is it worth using anything other than unqualified "ESTC", at least 
>for the online resources?  I don't know what archiving is in place, 
>but I doubt that in most cases it would be possible to establish 
>what the record was at the time.
>
>By the way, if we are prepared to do global changes from ESTC(RLIN) 
>to ESTC(BL), is there any significance in these qualifications?  All 
>we're really doing is telling our users where they can find 
>these.  In that case it would be much better to stick to unqualified 
>"ESTC" and thus avoid misleading users who see records with 
>out-of-date qualifications.
>
>By the way, I'm full of admiration at all the effort that has gone 
>into the final proofing of DCRM(B).
>
>Best wishes
>
>Brian
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu]On
>Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
>Sent: 13 October 2006 23:48
>To: DCRM Revision Group List
>Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing the new ESTC
>
>
>ESTC (BL) makes sense to me.
>
>I do understand why the delivery system is being specified, but at the
>same time I wonder how important it really is. Will the numbering system
>differ between the systems? I assume not. Do we want our catalogs to
>have both "ESTC (RLIN)" and "ESTC (BL)" in them? Particularly since one
>is a replacement for the other, which is permanently going away? Just
>thinking to myself. When the time comes we'll probably globally change
>all our ESTC (RLIN) references to ESTC (BL) (or whatever folks agree on
>is the new standard citation).
>
>Bob
>
>Robert L. Maxwell
>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
>Brigham Young University
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> >[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:25 PM
> >To: DCRM Revision Group List
> >Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing the new ESTC
> >
> >Dear colleagues,
> >
> >As you all know, the public ESTC is moving in a couple of
> >weeks to a freely-available web site on the British Library server.
> >
> >Since the ESTC exists in a number of different forms and
> >delivery systems, the principles for formulating standard
> >citations requires that the delivery system also be specified.
> >When making 510's for the ESTC, I propose we cite it as ESTC
> >(BL), unless anyone has a better idea.
> >
> >There is also another question, which is, for those of us with
> >access to the master STAR database, how do we cite that?
> >(Juliet, are you listening?)
> >______________________________________________________
> >Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> >Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee
> >Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library
> >201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003
> >djleslie at folger.edu  |  202.675-0369  |  http://www.folger.edu
> >
> >
> >
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