[DCRM-L] DNB

[Elizabeth Robinson]

A copy/paste (hope it displays) of what DCM Z1 says,
just fyi, to support what Bob said about flexibility:

Citing other files or catalogs.
   If a heading is found in other manual catalogs or
online databases, use judgment in creating a 670
citation. Begin the 670 field with a designation of
the catalog/database in which these other
bibliographic records were found. There is no
prescribed formulation of such citations; examples are
listed below:
670 $a LC in OCLC, date: $b ([data])
670 $a RLIN, date $b ([data])
670 $a M/B/RS Collections Authority file $b ([data])
670 $a New Delhi MARC file $b ([data])
670 $a MWA/NAIP files $b (hdg.: ____; usage: ___;
variants: _____)
670 $a NUC pre-56: $b ([data])
670 $a NRMM $b ([data])
Library of Congress staff working with the National
Union Catalog (NUC) reports used specific library
reports in the 670 citations when creating name
authority records.
670 $a nuc85-70017: Lower and middle Pennsylvania
stratigraphy ... 1982 $b (hdg. on AAP rept.:
Sutherland, Patrick Kennedy, 1925- ; usage: Patrick K.
Sutherland)

Of course, you all can get to this from Cataloger's
Desktop. The examples *imply* a formula (if you are
following such) of:

670 __ $a [name], [date]: $b ([data])
670 __ $a [name], [date] $b (hdg.: ____; usage: ___;
variants: _____)

Which was (some of us remember) past practice before
LC became less rigid about the construction of the
670. It's been many years now, I believe.

I think the chief concern here is about the
construction of [name] (yes?), to which the DCM gives
no explicit instruction but (by the examples) suggests
some options. I personally keep things short, but if
the online version of a known resource calls itself
"Blah-blah Online", I will capture that in [name].
This is my personal thought about it, not an official
LC position.

As for search date in the 675, I try to remember to do
that too for databases or websites, although it is not
explicitly supported by MARC21 Authorities. But see
some of the examples there that include publication
date of a print source in the $a (which I think is
comparable). And note that the DCM again does not say
yay/nay. I think (personal opinion again) that
whatever is deemed necessary to fully identify the
source searched (including making a distinction
between editions or versions) is reasonable. And if
you don't think such distinction is necessary, that is
fine also.

Elizabeth A. Robinson
Team Leader
Rare Book Cataloging Team
Special Materials Cataloging Division
Library of Congress
101 Independence Avenue SE, mailstop 4376
Washington, DC 20540-4376
(202)707-3408 (work)
(202)707-2453 (fax)
erob at loc.gov (email)
 
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are strictly my own

and not necessarily those of the Library of Congress.




--- Manon Theroux <manon.theroux at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Should" might be too strong a word here :)
> As Bob reminded us, there is some flexibility in how
> to cite reference
> sources in 67X fields:
> 
> "I also remind one and all that NO wordings or
> formulas are prescribed by
> PCC for 670––the NACO manual is presented as
> guidance, not rules. Trainers
> are reminded to repeat this almost as a mantra when
> training.  The most
> important thing is clarity. There is also no desire
> on the part of PCC that
> I know of for consistency from record to record, so
> I don't think we
> necessarily need to come up with a consensus on how
> to cite any given work
> or database. But it is certainly worthwhile to
> discuss possibilities and
> share suggestions."
> 
> Finally, I might add that if I'm citing the online
> Oxford DNB in a 675, I
> also include the date searched. Not just in 670s.
> 
> -Manon
> 
> On 9/21/07, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >  Thanks to everyone, especially Manon and Brian,
> for clinching it. To sum,
> > in the 670 it should be Oxford DNB, [date
> searched], and in the 675, Oxford
> > DNB
> >
> >
> > _____________________________
> > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> > Head of Cataloging
> > Folger Shakespeare Library
> > djleslie at folger.edu
> > http://www.folger.edu
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Hillyard, Brian
> > *Sent:* Friday, 21 September, 2007 08:54
> > *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> > *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DNB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are  the Oxford DNB's own notes on how they
> want to be cited.  Since
> > the online version also gives access to the
> earlier DNB articles where they
> > exist, I think that Oxford DNB is preferable as
> the basis for the citation
> > (at this point I'm not entering the discussion
> about the precise citation)
> > making it clear that one is  referring to the
> latest article.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > *********************************************
> >
> > Dr Brian Hillyard
> >
> > Rare Book Collections Manager
> >
> > National Library of Scotland
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > To cite an article from the Oxford DNB, please use
> one of the forms below.
> > The Oxford DNB style is our own preferred citation
> form, and may be used as
> > a default style.
> > *Oxford* DNB
> >
> > A. W. Moore, 'Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen
> (1929–2003)', *Oxford
> > Dictionary of National Biography*, online edn,
> Oxford University Press,
> > Jan 2007
> [http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066,
> accessed 21 Sept
> > 2007]
> > *Chicago* (notes)
> >
> > A. W. Moore, "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen
> (1929–2003)," in *Oxford
> > Dictionary of National Biography*, online ed., ed.
> Lawrence Goldman,
> > Oxford: OUP, January 2007,
> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066(accessed
> September 21, 2007).
> > *Chicago* (bibliography)
> >
> > Moore, A. W.. "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen
> (1929–2003)." In *Oxford
> > Dictionary of National Biography*, online ed.,
> edited by Lawrence Goldman.
> > Oxford: OUP, January 2007.
> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066(accessed
> September 21, 2007).
> > *MLA*
> >
> > Moore, A. W.. "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen
> (1929–2003)." OxfordDictionary of National
> Biography.
> > Online ed. Ed. Lawrence Goldman. Oxford: OUP, Jan.
> 2007. 21 Sept. 2007 <
> > http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066>.
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu
> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> > Behalf Of *Robert Maxwell
> > *Sent:* 20 September 2007 23:07
> > *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> > *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DNB
> >
> >
> >
> > While it's true that the participants manual says
> what Richard says it
> > does, I think this was more intended as guidance
> for websites (e.g. home
> > pages, etc.) and not databases, even though
> databases may reside on the web.
> > For example, we don't write
> >
> >
> >
> > 670  OCLC, via WWW, Sept. 20, 2007 

> >
> >
> >
> > even though we may well be searching OCLC via the
> web and certainly at
> > least are searching via the Internet even if we're
> going in through the
> > Connexion client. Instead we simply write
> >
> >
> >
> > 670  OCLC, Sept. 20, 2007
> >
> >
> >
> > Similarly the NACO manual instructs us to cite the
> LC catalog
> >
> >
> >
> > 670   LC database, Sept. 20, 2007 

> >
> >
> >
> > I do see that one of the examples cited in the
> "WWW" section of the NACO
> > manual is FamilySearch, which is a database.
> Nevertheless, in my own NACO
> > work I am inclined to cite a database without the
> "via WWW" or "WWW site"
> > phrasing, particularly if the database's name
> includes the word "online."
> > (For this reason I would cite FamilySearch as
> shown in the Manual––it
> > doesn't include the word "online") I think the
> word "online" indicates it's
> > a remote access database and the actual method
> (WWW, direct connection,
> > etc.) of getting to it is not important. I would
> probably cite the database
> > Deborah is asking about as
> >
> >
> >
> > 670  DNB online, Sept. 20, 2007 

> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, now I think about it, I DID cite it last
> week. 
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