[DCRM-L] DNB

Fri Sep 21 07:36:00 MDT 2007

"Should" might be too strong a word here :)
As Bob reminded us, there is some flexibility in how to cite reference
sources in 67X fields:

"I also remind one and all that NO wordings or formulas are prescribed by
PCC for 670––the NACO manual is presented as guidance, not rules. Trainers
are reminded to repeat this almost as a mantra when training.  The most
important thing is clarity. There is also no desire on the part of PCC that
I know of for consistency from record to record, so I don't think we
necessarily need to come up with a consensus on how to cite any given work
or database. But it is certainly worthwhile to discuss possibilities and
share suggestions."

Finally, I might add that if I'm citing the online Oxford DNB in a 675, I
also include the date searched. Not just in 670s.

-Manon

On 9/21/07, Deborah J. Leslie <DJLeslie at folger.edu> wrote:
>
>  Thanks to everyone, especially Manon and Brian, for clinching it. To sum,
> in the 670 it should be Oxford DNB, [date searched], and in the 675, Oxford
> DNB
>
>
> _____________________________
> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
> Head of Cataloging
> Folger Shakespeare Library
> djleslie at folger.edu
> http://www.folger.edu
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Hillyard, Brian
> *Sent:* Friday, 21 September, 2007 08:54
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DNB
>
>
>
>
>
> Here are  the Oxford DNB's own notes on how they want to be cited.  Since
> the online version also gives access to the earlier DNB articles where they
> exist, I think that Oxford DNB is preferable as the basis for the citation
> (at this point I'm not entering the discussion about the precise citation)
> making it clear that one is  referring to the latest article.
>
> Brian
>
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> To cite an article from the Oxford DNB, please use one of the forms below.
> The Oxford DNB style is our own preferred citation form, and may be used as
> a default style.
> *Oxford* DNB
>
> A. W. Moore, 'Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen (1929–2003)', *Oxford
> Dictionary of National Biography*, online edn, Oxford University Press,
> Jan 2007 [http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066, accessed 21 Sept
> 2007]
> *Chicago* (notes)
>
> A. W. Moore, "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen (1929–2003)," in *Oxford
> Dictionary of National Biography*, online ed., ed. Lawrence Goldman,
> Oxford: OUP, January 2007, http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066(accessed September 21, 2007).
> *Chicago* (bibliography)
>
> Moore, A. W.. "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen (1929–2003)." In *Oxford
> Dictionary of National Biography*, online ed., edited by Lawrence Goldman.
> Oxford: OUP, January 2007. http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066(accessed September 21, 2007).
> *MLA*
>
> Moore, A. W.. "Williams, Sir Bernard Arthur Owen (1929–2003)." OxfordDictionary of National Biography.
> Online ed. Ed. Lawrence Goldman. Oxford: OUP, Jan. 2007. 21 Sept. 2007 <
> http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/90066>.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Maxwell
> *Sent:* 20 September 2007 23:07
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DNB
>
>
>
> While it's true that the participants manual says what Richard says it
> does, I think this was more intended as guidance for websites (e.g. home
> pages, etc.) and not databases, even though databases may reside on the web.
> For example, we don't write
>
>
>
> 670  OCLC, via WWW, Sept. 20, 2007 …
>
>
>
> even though we may well be searching OCLC via the web and certainly at
> least are searching via the Internet even if we're going in through the
> Connexion client. Instead we simply write
>
>
>
> 670  OCLC, Sept. 20, 2007
>
>
>
> Similarly the NACO manual instructs us to cite the LC catalog
>
>
>
> 670   LC database, Sept. 20, 2007 …
>
>
>
> I do see that one of the examples cited in the "WWW" section of the NACO
> manual is FamilySearch, which is a database. Nevertheless, in my own NACO
> work I am inclined to cite a database without the "via WWW" or "WWW site"
> phrasing, particularly if the database's name includes the word "online."
> (For this reason I would cite FamilySearch as shown in the Manual––it
> doesn't include the word "online") I think the word "online" indicates it's
> a remote access database and the actual method (WWW, direct connection,
> etc.) of getting to it is not important. I would probably cite the database
> Deborah is asking about as
>
>
>
> 670  DNB online, Sept. 20, 2007 …
>
>
>
> Actually, now I think about it, I DID cite it last week. I think I didn't
> abbreviate it that far––I can't find the record now, but I think this was
> how I cited it:
>
>
>
> 670  Dict. of nat. biog. online, Sept. 15, 2007 …
>
>
>
> I believe I did this because although *we* all know what DNB stands for,
> probably most users of the authority file don't. I've actually found in my
> NACO training that very few catalogers know what some of the mysterious
> acronyms we use mean. I asked last time I did training, when we had a record
> before us with
>
>
>
> 670 WW in Am …
>
>
>
> on it, a pretty common abbreviation in the authority file, if anyone knew
> what it meant and NOT ONE knew it meant "Who's who in America". So I think
> we often abbreviate too much in these fields.
>
>
>
> I also remind one and all that NO wordings or formulas are prescribed by
> PCC for 670––the NACO manual is presented as guidance, not rules. Trainers
> are reminded to repeat this almost as a mantra when training.  The most
> important thing is clarity. There is also no desire on the part of PCC that
> I know of for consistency from record to record, so I don't think we
> necessarily need to come up with a consensus on how to cite any given work
> or database. But it is certainly worthwhile to discuss possibilities and
> share suggestions.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
> Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
>
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Noble, Richard
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:58 PM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] DNB
>
>
>
> Per the NACO Participants' Manual:
>
>
>
>    One of the three following constructions should generally be used to
> cite Web pages:
>
>      [Title or name] WWW site, [date of search]: $b [location]
> ([information])
>
>      [Title or name], via WWW, [date of search]: $b [location]
> ([information])
>
>      [Title or name] WWW home page, [date of search]: $b ([information])
>
>
>
> Which seems to call for: Oxford DNB, via WWW, [date of search] ...
>
>
>
> The examples given follow this pattern even when the resource name
> includes "on-line" or the like.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Deborah J. Leslie
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:49 PM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] DNB
>
> How are folks citing the new DNB online in the 670 in authority records?
>
> DNB
>
> DNB (Online)
>
> Oxford DNB (Online)
>
> The same in 675's?
>
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>
> Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.
>
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>
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