[DCRM-L] A collational oddity

[Randal Brandt]

Thanks, Richard. This gives me something to work with. When I am feeling 
more ambitious (and when the volume in question warrants the extra 
work), I include statements of signing, usually following Gaskell. But, 
I will look more closely at Bowers, too.

And, by "previously unrecorded," I mean that it does not appear in 
Rousseau bibliographies (Dufour, Sénelier, Leigh), OCLC, BnF, or KB 
(Amsterdam imprint, although probably a piracy). Yes, that made my day, too.

Randy

Noble, Richard wrote:
> I routinely give collation notes (an option in dcrmb), and would write
> e.g. (making a few assumptions, since we haven't got a copy of this
> book, oddly enough):
>
> 12mo: A-Z^6 2A^4 [$3 (-2A3) signed; signing $2,$3 as '$3','$5';
> missigning ...]; 142 leaves, pp. ...
>
> following RBS DesBib conventions per Bowers. When I'm feeling less
> ambitious I head the note "Signatures:" rather than "Collation:",
> leaving out the pagination but still usually including the signing
> statement. If the style of your cataloging doesn't assume familiarity
> with Bowers formulae (especially the $ variable), you could say
> something on the order of "2nd and 3rd leaves of each gathering signed
> e.g. A3 and A5 throughout".
>
> "Previously unrecorded"--that makes a cataloger's day, doesn't it...
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of Margaret Nichols
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:15 AM
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] A collational oddity
>
>
> Randy et al.,
>
> Yes, I would definitely note the odd signing pattern, in a 500 note. 
> Not sure how I'd word it--let's see:
>
> Leaves signed using alternate numbers, e.g. A, A3, A5 in succession 
> in gathering A.
>
> That's awfully awkward, but maybe someone else can improve on it--
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> At 06:52 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote:
>   
>> I have a book on my desk that is odd in many ways (it is a
>> previously unrecorded 1780 edition of Rousseau's Du contrat social), 
>> but the one that has me stumped is the way that the gatherings are 
>> signed. It is a 12mo in 6s, with the first 3 leaves of each 
>> gathering signed, the last 3 leaves unsigned. But, instead of the 
>> usual "A, A2, A3" pattern, the signatures are numbered as if they 
>> are page numbers, i.e. A, A3, A5; B, B3, B5, etc. With the exception 
>> of a couple of typographical errors, this pattern holds throughout 
>> the entire volume. The signatures note in my catalog record is a 
>> pretty straight-forward "A-Z[superscript 6] 2A[superscript 4], but 
>> that doesn't tell the whole story.
>>
>> Would any of you include information about the odd signing pattern?
>> If so, how would you do it? Bowers and Gaskell have, so far, been
>>     
> unhelpful.
>   
>> Thanks,
>> Randy (yes, I do still, occasionally, get to catalog these days ...)
>>
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>> The Bancroft Library
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>
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