[DCRM-L] Citing CERL in bib record

[Schneider, Nina]

That was just it. I didn't know who the author is. 
 
The BN claims it's Hippolyte-Alexandre PUTOD; CERL, on the other hand, cross-references Alitephe (the author on the t.p.) as the pseudonym of Francois Marie PUTHOD. 
F. M. Puthod is in LCNAF. I'm sure that these are two different people: Putod v. Puthod. Someone has it wrong and I couldn't find a definitive answer, so I was trying to bring this out in the bib record. It's not a matter of tracing different names, it's a matter of pointing out that this book is attributed to two different authors. 
 
Actually, I think the BN is incorrect. I paged the supplement to Querard and there is a reference to Puthod as the author of this book. So that's settled. 
 
No need to cite CERL. 
 
Thanks to everyone who piped in on this.
 
Nina

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I would definitely put this information in the bib record, a là DCRM(B) 7B6; otherwise, anyone looking at the bib record would be mystified why Puthod is given as the author when the book itself says it's by Alitephe. I'm in full favor of having authority records carry their load, but I don't think this is a load it's meant to carry. 

 

But this isn't Nina's question. I would not cite CERL in the 510, but would make a note more along the lines that Bob suggests, citing the BN for your authority. But, I'm confused as to your level of certainty about who the author actually was. For you to say that 1) it is attributed to H-A Putod, which by its very wording suggests a high degree of certainty, but go on to say in the same note that Alitephe is the pseudonym of F.M. Puthod ... well, I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. Who's the author? 

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I would not make a note for this in the bibliographic record at all. Rather I would put this information in the authority record since it has to do with the identity of the person. Having done that, if I really wanted to be more informative to the patron, I would simply make the statement in a 500 note without citing anything. (But the reason I would put this information in the authority record only and not put it in the bibliographic record is to avoid putting the note in EVERY bib record having to do with Alitephe. That's why we have the authority system in place.)

 

I don't understand how CERL claims it is citing LCNAF for the attribution, by the way, since the information doesn't appear to me to be in the LC/NACO authority file. Whatever you do, I hope you'll update the authority record for this person :-)

 

Bob

 

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Here are the details:

 

I'm working on "Le Vrai Patriote. Dissertation Philosophique et

Politique, Par M. Alitephe, Citoyen Francais." It's dated 1789, with no

place or publisher.

 

There is a record for the microfilm in OCLC (#79900426) and it's

attributed to Francois Marie Puthod,(1757-1820). This is the same

attribution given by the knowledgeable bookseller from whom we bought

it. However, the Bibliotheque National attributes it to

Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod (1753-1793). They have more than one edition.

 

 

 

This is when I checked CERL and found that M. Alitephe is cross

referenced to Francois Marie Puthod. The source is LCNAF.

 

So, what I'd like to do is

 

500    Alitephe is the pseudonym of Francois Marie Puthod. Cf. CERL

510 4  CERL $ccnp00443253

 

I could also modify my 500 note:

 

500      Attributed to Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod. Cf. BN; Alitephe is

the pseudonym of Francois Marie Puthod. Cf. CERL

700 1  Puthod, Fra....

700 1  Putod, Hip...

 

 

 

Francois Marie Puthod is in the LCNAF, Hippolyte-Alexandre Putod is not.

The pseudonym Alitephe is not cross-referenced in LC, only in CERL.

 

Unfortunately, this book is not in Barbier, Cioranescu, or Querard.

 

 

 

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