[DCRM-L] question regarding date

[buettnerl at csl.edu]

Thanks Joe.

I'm going to ILL that book right now.


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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Ross
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] question regarding date

Lyle,

I have not seen these before in imprints, but I have seen discussions of these numbers.  Karl Menninger mentions them in his discussion of Roman numerals in Number Words and Number Symbols (Dover, 1969).  I only have the German text in front of me.  The English translation is checked out.  But it should not be hard to find.  The discussion of Roman (German) numerals is in v. 2, p. 90 of the German text.  Menninger cites some German account books which use this notation and inn a church date.  For 1859 Gulden: I(superscript M) viij (superscript)C lix Gulden.
In most cases the C is superscript but not always.  XV . C. et II (=1502) MVI (superscript c) XII (=1612).  This was also used outside of Germany.  Menninger quotes a papal bull which uses the notation.  Menninger thinks that it is an attempt to establish place value in Roman numerals, at least to a certain extent.

I hope this information is helpful.

Best wishes,

Joe


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Deborah,

I attached two files.  The list serv may strip them out, so I cc'd a copy to your Folger email.

The attached items are some German translations of Erasmus.

Lyle


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Lyle E. Buettner
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Concordia Seminary Library
801 Seminary Place
St. Louis, MO  63105
phone: 314-505-7035
fax: 314-505-7046
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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] question regarding date

Lyle,

I don't think I've seen that kind of date formulation before. Is there any chance you could get an image for us?

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of buettnerl at csl.edu
Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 12:40
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Subject: [DCRM-L] question regarding date

Sehr geehrte Kollegen,

I ran across an odd date form on Friday, which I hadn't seen before.  I assume others have seen it?

For a 1521 date I had: " Mv[superscript c]xxj "

In my 260 |c, I went ahead and entered "Mv[superscript c]xxj [1521]"
I assume that was correct.

(The printer was Johann Schoeffer in Mainz; source: VD 16)

leb

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fax: 314-505-7046
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