[DCRM-L] FW: Signature question

[Smith, Eileen]

[Resent due to technical difficulties, just for the record, since Larry and I have determined that this is indeed the same sort of pamphlet he has.]
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From: Smith, Eileen 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:07 AM
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Signature question
Hi Larry,
This question brought back fond memories of the literally hundreds of pre-1800 Mexican devotional pamphlets I catalogued for the John Carter Brown Library. Unfortunately, I got the signature statement wrong on many (most?) of them, because of not realizing in time that it was really *directional numbering* of an alpha-numeric variety that I was seeing, not some sort of odd signature sandwich. Initially I had been reading them as, e.g., A^8 (A4+B^4(B2+C^4)).  (Richard N. will remember them well, I suspect, since I dragged him across campus to see these curious non-Bowers-like creations.) I'm guessing that's what you have -- what do you think?
Eileen
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Eileen L. Smith
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Yale University Library
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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Laurence Creider [lcreider at lib.NMSU.Edu]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:48 PM
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: [DCRM-L] Signature question

Folks,
I am cataloging Commemorationes, seu, Suffragia sanctorum Ordinis minorum
S.P.N. Francisci .... Mexici :ex Typographia matritensi in via S.
Dominici & Tacubae, [17--]. [24] p. ; 15 cm.

Medina  8973

The pages are unnumbered and the only leaves signed are B1 and C1.
In addition to 1 later blank leaf, conjugate with blank leaf at end the
item consists of
leaf [1] conjugate with leaf [12], so what appears to be [A1].[C8]
leaf [2] conjugate with [11] [A2].[C7]
leaf [3]  conjugate with 10   B1.[C6]
leaf [4] conjugate with 9    [B2].[C5]
leaf [5] conjugate with 8    C1.[C4]
leaf [6] conjugate with 7    [C2].[C3]--stiching through here.

I've looked at Gaskell's diagrams and nothing seems to fit.  The closest
patterns are those for 12mos, esp. fig. 56.  There appear to be water
marks on leaves B1 through [C5] or [C6], which does not make sense
and the chainlines are vertical.  I am sure I am missing something
obvious (my visual imagination is not good), so can somebody help?

Thanks,
Larry

Laurence S. Creider
Special Collections Librarian
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM  88003
Work: 575-646-7227
Fax: 575-646-7477
lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu