[DCRM-L] BYU's 1st RDA/DCRMB record: WorldCat & rare book data

[Noble, Richard]

Many thanks to Jackie and Co. for the work that they are doing. Still, if I
recall certain MASC (now called ... I keep forgetting) sessions, it appears
that the fields to be retained are essentially those defined as
local/copy-specific. The problem is that much information that contributes
substantially to our knowledge of manifestations is contained in the
general-level notes (almost all 500) of individual records. James Ascher has
hinted, under another heading (?--I'm stuck in gmail, which gloms messages
together in "conversations" and makes it hard to track correspondence
threads), at the more Wiki-like approach that makes sense in a
research-oriented environment.

I'm treating master records more and more as dynamic records subject to
change based on evidence as it comes to light, but the OCLC paradigm makes
for a classic "turning a battleship in a bathtub" problem.That doesn't
lessen my gratitude to those who are grappling with it with the correct
principles firmly in mind.

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 : RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU


On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Dooley,Jackie <dooleyj at oclc.org> wrote:

>  Regarding Liz’s last comment about OCLC and the desirability of making
> all rare book information more accessible … OCLC is currently working very
> hard toward this goal. Some of you may recall that OCLC’s Matt Goldner
> convened a working group of rare book and archival cataloging experts two
> years ago to study this in the context of WorldCat Local; both the wg’s
> report and OCLC response are on the RBMS Bib Standards Committee’s website
> at http://www.rbms.info/committees/bibliographic_standards/index.shtml(scroll to bottom of the page).
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> It may be fair to say that display and indexing of full data from
> cataloging members was the working group’s #1 priority—and of course the
> most difficult one to achieve, since storing bibliographic information
> beyond the master record is the polar opposite of the long-standing WorldCat
> paradigm. Nevertheless, much work is going on internally to define the MARC
> bib fields that it’ll be possible (when implemented) to retain in LHRs
> (library holdings records).
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> A good conversation about this issue occurred on this listserv earlier this
> year.
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> Jackie Dooley
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> Program Officer
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> OCLC Research and the RLG Partnership
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> 949.492.5060 (office/home)
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> 949.295.1529 (mobile)
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> dooleyj at oclc.org
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Elizabeth O'Keefe
> *Sent:* Friday, August 27, 2010 4:48 PM
> *To:* List, DCRM Revision Group
> *Cc:* Ascher, James P.
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] FW: BYU's 1st RDA/DCRMB record
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> Analysis of this sort would be very valuable, but it would be difficult to
> do in Open WorldCat, which is where most of our users (as opposed to
> catalogers) search. The results would be skewed because many DCRM(B) records
> are loaded as Institution Records (IRs), which are invisible to users of
> Open WorldCat. There is a similar problem with trying to analyse use of
> copy-specific information, such as provenance, bindings, watermarks,
> annotations, etc., which is also restricted to the IRs. OCLC would do the
> dcrm community a great service if they could come up with ways to make all
> rare book information more accessible, whether it takes the form of
> copy-specific data, or the enhanced descriptions prescribed by DCRM(B).
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> Liz O'Keefe
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> Elizabeth O'Keefe
> Director of Collection Information Systems
> The Morgan Library & Museum
> 225 Madison Avenue
> New York, NY  10016-3405
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> TEL: 212 590-0380
> FAX: 212-768-5680
> NET: eokeefe at themorgan.org
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> Visit CORSAIR, the Library’s comprehensive collections catalog, now on
> the web at
> http://corsair.themorgan.org
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> >>> "Schaffner,Jennifer" <schaffnj at oclc.org> 8/27/2010 11:50 AM >>>
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> This community discussion is very helpful and enlightening. Y’all are
> kicking up important “pickles,” er, issues.
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> I, too, was ‘privileged’ to hear Karen Calhoun’s talk. It occurs to me
> that – facing RDA - it will be helpful for our community to have solid
> evidence and studies of use, especially users’ use (and not just our own
> use), of dcrm records. Does anyone have analytics of catalog use, especially
> analytics of successful searches (from catalogs or from the web) that land
> on dcrm records? Does anyone have weblogs or search logs that are
> sufficiently granular to demonstrate which fields are sought, used, and
> found successfully? (As many of you know, I’ve been chasing these for two
> years or so.)
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> Rumors of OCLC Research’s interest in facilitating discussion with our
> community of preference for dcrm records are quite true. It was Glenn Patton
> ’s idea. Jackie and I had offered to bring Glenn to RBMS at ALA Midwinter.
> The offer stands.
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> Please contact me offline!
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> Jennifer
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> *******************************************
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> Jennifer Schaffner
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> Program Officer
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> OCLC Research and the RLG Partnership
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> 650.287.2140
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> http://www.oclc.org/research/
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