[DCRM-L] printing variations

Tue Mar 2 12:11:56 MST 2010

Bracketed 250? What would you put in it?  

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Charles F Tremper
Sent: Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 14:02
To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations

Dear all-Given how much the text varies (as I've looked more closely at
the 2) in terms of both size and distribution on the pages, it's pretty
clear that different plates were used. So it sounds like a new record
with a bracketed 250 ...

The book is: The life of Louis Kossuth, governor of Hungary ... / P.C.
Headley.  Auburn : Derby & Miller, 1852.  There are a number of OCLC
records, including e-versions; OCLC record #33884951 has an Auburn
printer (Knapp & Peck); our book has Auburn printer Oliphant and lacks a
numbered printing statement.  There are a number of other records based
on printings; none matches our pagination, or has publisher statement
with the ampersand.

Thanks, chas.t.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:35 PM
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations

The extent of variation, as you describe it, makes it highly unlikely
that these were printed from plates derived from the same setting of
type. In any case, extensive modification of existing plates is
important, if it rises to the level of revision, as seems to be the case
here, a distinction which would be lost in treating these as impressions
in a single, which tends to obscure the existence of significant
variants. If you change the master record, you only hide the NYC
printing bringing forward the Auburn one. In separate records you can
flag the differences easily enough by adding subf. e,f to the 260 and if
necessary a bracketed 250.

If you have access to both variants, be aware that anything that doesn't
vary should not vary at all, and should clearly have been printed from
the same or identical pieces of metal: the exact alignment of type
should be the same except where the plates have been corrected. A test:
if you lay a strait-edge from a given point at the top of the type page
to a given point at the bottom it should cross the intervening unmodifed
lines at exactly the same points. If it doesn't, it's a different
setting of type, i.e. a different edition.

What is the book?

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 :
RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations

They could be printed with the same plates, the latter having
corrections made to them. If this is the case, and since the publisher
is the same, they would only be different impressions. Charles, it
sounds like you have access to the both texts of both. Can you tell
whether they seem to be the same setting of type? 

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Schneider, Nina
Sent: Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 11:50
To: DCRM Revision Group List
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations

Since there seem to be changes throughout, it sounds like a different
edition. I would create a new record. You could add a note about the NYC
imprint.

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Nina Schneider
Head Cataloger
William Andrews Clark Memorial Library
2520 Cimarron Street
Los Angeles, CA  90018

323-731-8529
nschneider at humnet.ucla.edu

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
Behalf Of Charles F Tremper
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:32 AM
To: 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu'
Subject: [DCRM-L] printing variations

Dear all-I have 2 versions of an 1852 Auburn, NY imprint.  One chief
difference is printer, with one printed in Auburn, the other in NYC.
There are minor differences in how t.p. appears (typeface and use of
ampersands), but both have the same publication and copyright dates.
However, there are minor differences in pagination and some variations,
not all minor, in content and order of material.  The OCLC records for
both print and electronic versions reflect the NYC variant.  

I am uncertain as what to do on OCLC; SU Library is not yet creating
institutional records and I'm not sure I see a justification for a new
master OCLC record, since the total number of pages is the same, with
the  Auburn printing having a gap of 9 numbers between the Roman and
Arabic sequences where the NYC version has no gap.

Would replacing the OCLC master record with information on the variant
version be the best way to proceed?

Thanks, chas.t.

Charles F. Tremper

Catalogue Librarian

Special Collections Research Center

Syracuse University Library

(315) 443-9775

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