[DCRM-L] printing variations

Tue Mar 2 12:45:23 MST 2010

For some reason, I thought we would need one ... now that I think again, I'm not sure why.

Thanks chas.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
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Bracketed 250? What would you put in it?

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Charles F Tremper
Sent: Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 14:02
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Dear all-Given how much the text varies (as I've looked more closely at the 2) in terms of both size and distribution on the pages, it's pretty clear that different plates were used. So it sounds like a new record with a bracketed 250 ...

The book is: The life of Louis Kossuth, governor of Hungary ... / P.C. Headley.  Auburn : Derby & Miller, 1852.  There are a number of OCLC records, including e-versions; OCLC record #33884951 has an Auburn printer (Knapp & Peck); our book has Auburn printer Oliphant and lacks a numbered printing statement.  There are a number of other records based on printings; none matches our pagination, or has publisher statement with the ampersand.

Thanks, chas.t.

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Noble, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:35 PM
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The extent of variation, as you describe it, makes it highly unlikely that these were printed from plates derived from the same setting of type. In any case, extensive modification of existing plates is important, if it rises to the level of revision, as seems to be the case here, a distinction which would be lost in treating these as impressions in a single, which tends to obscure the existence of significant variants. If you change the master record, you only hide the NYC printing bringing forward the Auburn one. In separate records you can flag the differences easily enough by adding subf. e,f to the 260 and if necessary a bracketed 250.

If you have access to both variants, be aware that anything that doesn't vary should not vary at all, and should clearly have been printed from the same or identical pieces of metal: the exact alignment of type should be the same except where the plates have been corrected. A test: if you lay a strait-edge from a given point at the top of the type page to a given point at the bottom it should cross the intervening unmodifed lines at exactly the same points. If it doesn't, it's a different setting of type, i.e. a different edition.

What is the book?

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:10 PM
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They could be printed with the same plates, the latter having corrections made to them. If this is the case, and since the publisher is the same, they would only be different impressions. Charles, it sounds like you have access to the both texts of both. Can you tell whether they seem to be the same setting of type?

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Schneider, Nina
Sent: Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 11:50
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Since there seem to be changes throughout, it sounds like a different edition. I would create a new record. You could add a note about the NYC imprint.

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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Charles F Tremper
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:32 AM
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Subject: [DCRM-L] printing variations
Dear all-I have 2 versions of an 1852 Auburn, NY imprint.  One chief difference is printer, with one printed in Auburn, the other in NYC.  There are minor differences in how t.p. appears (typeface and use of ampersands), but both have the same publication and copyright dates.  However, there are minor differences in pagination and some variations, not all minor, in content and order of material.  The OCLC records for both print and electronic versions reflect the NYC variant.

I am uncertain as what to do on OCLC; SU Library is not yet creating institutional records and I'm not sure I see a justification for a new master OCLC record, since the total number of pages is the same, with the  Auburn printing having a gap of 9 numbers between the Roman and Arabic sequences where the NYC version has no gap.

Would replacing the OCLC master record with information on the variant version be the best way to proceed?

Thanks, chas.t.

Charles F. Tremper
Catalogue Librarian
Special Collections Research Center
Syracuse University Library
(315) 443-9775

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