[DCRM-L] printing variations

Tue Mar 2 12:57:07 MST 2010

DCRM(B) does not allow for bracketed information in edition statements, 
except in special cases covered under 2B4. If necessary, distinguish 
between these types of "editions" by using notes.

And, it was Richard who first brought up bracketing 250 information (see 
below), which was the only quibble that I had with his advice :-)

Randy

Charles F Tremper wrote:
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> For some reason, I thought we would need one ... now that I think 
> again, I'm not sure why.
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> Thanks chas.
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Deborah J. Leslie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:12 PM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> Bracketed 250? What would you put in it?  
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Charles F Tremper
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 14:02
> *To:* 'DCRM Revision Group List'
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> Dear all---Given how much the text varies (as I've looked more closely 
> at the 2) in terms of both size and distribution on the pages, it's 
> pretty clear that different plates were used. So it sounds like a new 
> record with a bracketed 250 ...
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> The book is: The life of Louis Kossuth, governor of Hungary ... / P.C. 
> Headley.  Auburn : Derby & Miller, 1852.  There are a number of OCLC 
> records, including e-versions; OCLC record #33884951 has an Auburn 
> printer (Knapp & Peck); our book has Auburn printer Oliphant and lacks 
> a numbered printing statement.  There are a number of other records 
> based on printings; none matches our pagination, or has publisher 
> statement with the ampersand.
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> Thanks, chas.t.
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Noble, Richard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:35 PM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> The extent of variation, as you describe it, makes it highly unlikely 
> that these were printed from plates derived from the same setting of 
> type. In any case, extensive modification of existing plates is 
> important, if it rises to the level of revision, as seems to be the 
> case here, a distinction which would be lost in treating these as 
> impressions in a single, which tends to obscure the existence of 
> significant variants. If you change the master record, you only hide 
> the NYC printing bringing forward the Auburn one. In separate records 
> you can flag the differences easily enough by adding subf. e,f to the 
> 260 and if necessary a bracketed 250.
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> If you have access to both variants, be aware that anything that 
> doesn't vary should not vary /at all/, and should clearly have been 
> printed from the same or identical pieces of metal: the exact 
> alignment of type should be the same except where the plates have been 
> corrected. A test: if you lay a strait-edge from a given point at the 
> top of the type page to a given point at the bottom it should cross 
> the intervening unmodifed lines at exactly the same points. If it 
> doesn't, it's a different setting of type, i.e. a different edition.
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> What is the book?
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> RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY
> PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : 
> RICHARD_NOBLE at BROWN.EDU
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Deborah J. Leslie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:10 PM
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> They could be printed with the same plates, the latter having 
> corrections made to them. If this is the case, and since the publisher 
> is the same, they would only be different impressions. Charles, it 
> sounds like you have access to the both texts of both. Can you tell 
> whether they seem to be the same setting of type?
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Schneider, Nina
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 11:50
> *To:* DCRM Revision Group List
> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> Since there seem to be changes throughout, it sounds like a different 
> edition. I would create a new record. You could add a note about the 
> NYC imprint.
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> Nina Schneider
> Head Cataloger
> William Andrews Clark Memorial Library
> 2520 Cimarron Street
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> *From:* dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] 
> *On Behalf Of *Charles F Tremper
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:32 AM
> *To:* 'dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu'
> *Subject:* [DCRM-L] printing variations
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> Dear all---I have 2 versions of an 1852 Auburn, NY imprint.  One chief 
> difference is printer, with one printed in Auburn, the other in NYC.  
> There are minor differences in how t.p. appears (typeface and use of 
> ampersands), but both have the same publication and copyright dates.  
> However, there are minor differences in pagination and some 
> variations, not all minor, in content and order of material.  The OCLC 
> records for both print and electronic versions reflect the NYC variant. 
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> I am uncertain as what to do on OCLC; SU Library is not yet creating 
> institutional records and I'm not sure I see a justification for a new 
> master OCLC record, since the total number of pages is the same, with 
> the  Auburn printing having a gap of 9 numbers between the Roman and 
> Arabic sequences where the NYC version has no gap.
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> Would replacing the OCLC master record with information on the variant 
> version be the best way to proceed?
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> Thanks, chas.t.
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> Charles F. Tremper
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> Catalogue Librarian
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> Special Collections Research Center
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> Syracuse University Library
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