[DCRM-L] Signature question

[John Lancaster]

This may be a case of printing on half-sheets (i.e. cut before printing) with quarto imposition.  That would account for both the signing and the watermark evidence.  Perhaps Richard can shed more light on this possibility.

I suppose it’s possible that this is a long 12mo (cf. Gaskell’s figure 54, with cutting rather than folding, and paging adjusted correspondingly), but the watermark evidence suggests otherwise, though without knowing more about the position of the watermarks and their relationship from leaf to leaf, it’s hard to be sure.

In any case, though, as Richard has said, it’s a gathering of 12 leaves; whatever designation you decide to use (I’d be inclined toward [A]), the work would be described as [A]^12, with [A]3 and [A]5 signed ‘B’ and ‘C’, respectively.

John Lancaster

On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Laurence Creider wrote:

> Folks,
> I am cataloging Commemorationes, seu, Suffragia sanctorum Ordinis minorum S.P.N. Francisci .... Mexici :ex Typographia matritensi in via S. Dominici & Tacubae, [17--]. [24] p. ; 15 cm.
> 
> Medina  8973
> 
> The pages are unnumbered and the only leaves signed are B1 and C1.
> In addition to 1 later blank leaf, conjugate with blank leaf at end the item consists of leaf [1] conjugate with leaf [12], so what appears to be [A1].[C8]
> leaf [2] conjugate with [11] [A2].[C7]
> leaf [3]  conjugate with 10   B1.[C6]
> leaf [4] conjugate with 9    [B2].[C5]
> leaf [5] conjugate with 8    C1.[C4]
> leaf [6] conjugate with 7    [C2].[C3]--stiching through here.
> 
> I've looked at Gaskell's diagrams and nothing seems to fit.  The closest patterns are those for 12mos, esp. fig. 56.  There appear to be water marks on leaves B1 through [C5] or [C6], which does not make sense and the chainlines are vertical.  I am sure I am missing something obvious (my visual imagination is not good), so can somebody help?
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry
> 
> Laurence S. Creider
> Special Collections Librarian
> New Mexico State University
> Las Cruces, NM  88003
> Work: 575-646-7227
> Fax: 575-646-7477
> lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu

On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Laurence Creider wrote:

> Folks,
> I am cataloging Commemorationes, seu, Suffragia sanctorum Ordinis minorum S.P.N. Francisci .... Mexici :ex Typographia matritensi in via S. Dominici & Tacubae, [17--]. [24] p. ; 15 cm.
> 
> Medina  8973
> 
> The pages are unnumbered and the only leaves signed are B1 and C1.
> In addition to 1 later blank leaf, conjugate with blank leaf at end the item consists of leaf [1] conjugate with leaf [12], so what appears to be [A1].[C8]
> leaf [2] conjugate with [11] [A2].[C7]
> leaf [3]  conjugate with 10   B1.[C6]
> leaf [4] conjugate with 9    [B2].[C5]
> leaf [5] conjugate with 8    C1.[C4]
> leaf [6] conjugate with 7    [C2].[C3]--stiching through here.
> 
> I've looked at Gaskell's diagrams and nothing seems to fit.  The closest patterns are those for 12mos, esp. fig. 56.  There appear to be water marks on leaves B1 through [C5] or [C6], which does not make sense and the chainlines are vertical.  I am sure I am missing something obvious (my visual imagination is not good), so can somebody help?
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry
> 
> Laurence S. Creider
> Special Collections Librarian
> New Mexico State University
> Las Cruces, NM  88003
> Work: 575-646-7227
> Fax: 575-646-7477
> lcreider at lib.nmsu.edu

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