[DCRM-L] DCRM-L Digest, Vol 70, Issue 1
Cawelti, Andrea
cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
Fri Dec 2 10:15:17 MST 2011
Richard, this is an excellent suggestion. I guess my question would be: is there sufficient need to disambiguate, or should we concoct a broader term to cover all damaged printing surfaces? What is the general feeling on this? If we should break this down into narrower terms, what would be the most useful way for catalogers? If I'm breaking new ground here I'd prefer to do it in the most useful way possible going forward.
Thank you all, Andrea
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Andrea Cawelti
Ward Cataloger
Houghton Library
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
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FAX: (617) 495-1376
E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
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Perhaps it would be possible to disambiguate terms if we had a printing
term (rbpri) "Plate damage (Printing)", scoped to refer specifically to
stereo- and electrotype plates, and the same or similar term in a graphics
thesaurus for damage to engraved plates, and perhaps also for block damage,
in the case of woodcuts and wood engravings, since cracks in such things as
headpieces also have some potential as evidence.
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Cawelti, Andrea <cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>wrote:
> Grateful thanks to all the respondents to my query about cracks in
> engraved plates. Our Rare Book Team will discuss, and ponder the best
> formulation for the printing and publishing thesaurus. "Damaged plates"
> seems somewhat ambiguous to me but no doubt saner heads will prevail.
> Thanks again,
> Andrea
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> Andrea Cawelti
> Ward Cataloger
> Houghton Library
> Harvard University
> Cambridge, MA 02138
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> 1. cracks in engraved plates (Cawelti, Andrea)
> 2. Re: cracks in engraved plates (John Lancaster)
> 3. Re: cracks in engraved plates (Fell, Todd)
> 4. Re: cracks in engraved plates (Deborah J. Leslie)
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> From: "Cawelti, Andrea" <cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
> Subject: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
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> Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other
> terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never
> made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the
> usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition,
> particularly in music.
> Thoughts? Suggestions?
> Grateful thanks, Andrea
> --
> Andrea Cawelti
> Ward Cataloger
> Houghton Library
> Harvard University
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> Phone: (617) 495-8060
> FAX: (617) 495-1376
> E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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> From: John Lancaster <jjlancaster at me.com>
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> There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a
> similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps
> lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for
> damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that?s another particular
> desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to
> provide at least relative dating of early books.
>
> John Lancaster
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
>
> > Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other
> terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I?d never
> made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the
> usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition,
> particularly in music.
> > Thoughts? Suggestions?
> > Grateful thanks, Andrea
> > --
> > Andrea Cawelti
> > Ward Cataloger
> > Houghton Library
> > Harvard University
> > Cambridge, MA 02138
> >
> > Phone: (617) 495-8060
> > FAX: (617) 495-1376
> > E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu
> >
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> From: "Fell, Todd" <todd.fell at yale.edu>
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
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> I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for
> cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important
> such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have
> pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the
> identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map
> production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over
> again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.
>
> Todd Fell
>
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of John Lancaster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:47 PM
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
>
> There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a
> similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps
> lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for
> damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular
> desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to
> provide at least relative dating of early books.
>
> John Lancaster
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
>
>
> Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other
> terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never
> made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the
> usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition,
> particularly in music.
> Thoughts? Suggestions?
> Grateful thanks, Andrea
> --
> Andrea Cawelti
> Ward Cataloger
> Houghton Library
> Harvard University
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> Phone: (617) 495-8060
> FAX: (617) 495-1376
> E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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> From: "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie at FOLGER.edu>
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
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> The printing and publishing thesaurus has terms for imperfections of
> various sorts, so it would be appropriate to propose a new term. You'd have
> to do some research to find predominant usage.
>
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of Fell, Todd
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:52
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
>
> I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for
> cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important
> such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have
> pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the
> identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map
> production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over
> again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.
>
> Todd Fell
>
> From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On
> Behalf Of John Lancaster
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:47 PM
> To: DCRM Revision Group List
> Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] cracks in engraved plates
>
> There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a
> similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps
> lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for
> damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular
> desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to
> provide at least relative dating of early books.
>
> John Lancaster
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:
>
> Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other
> terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never
> made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the
> usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition,
> particularly in music.
> Thoughts? Suggestions?
> Grateful thanks, Andrea
> --
> Andrea Cawelti
> Ward Cataloger
> Houghton Library
> Harvard University
> Cambridge, MA 02138
>
> Phone: (617) 495-8060
> FAX: (617) 495-1376
> E-mail: cawelti at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:cawelti at fas.harvard.edu>
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