[DCRM-L] Australian cities in field 752

[Deborah J. Leslie]

Thanks, all. It does make the most sense, but it does make instructing new catalogers more difficult, because now there's an Australian exception to "be guided by the form in the 781."

From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Margaret F Nichols
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I vote for that form, too, for the reasons Bob mentions.

Margaret


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I second Bob's vote. I took a look at our catalog and, alas, we've been inconsistent. But, recent records have the subfield a-b-d construction.

Randy

On 12/6/2011 11:48 AM, Robert Maxwell wrote:
I vote for

752 Australia ‡b Victoria ‡d Melbourne.

It’s consistent with the way you (and we) treat other countries such as the U.S. and not dependent on the vagaries of LC subject subdivision practice.

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
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Brigham Young University
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From: dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu<mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Australian cities in field 752

We are adding 752's to all our editions of Shakespeare, and I'm a little perplexed on how to render Australian cities in hierarchical form. Australia is treated strangely in AACR2, because the cities are qualified by the state instead of the country, but in subdivisions, Australia comes first: from the NAR for Melbourne:

151  Melbourne (Vic.)
781 0ǂz Australia ǂz Melbourne (Vic.)

Contrast this to the NAR for San Francisco, which goes straight into first order political division:
151  San Francisco (Calif.)
781 0ǂz California ǂz San Francisco

Or for Heidelberg, with no intervening state or province:
151  Hamburg (Germany)
781 0ǂz Germany ǂz Hamburg

As do many institutions, we use the country name even for countries that are subdivided and qualified by their first order political division:
752 United States ‡b California ‡d San Francisco.

Given all this, what makes most sense?:

752 Australia ǂb Melbourne (Vic.)
or
752 Australia ‡b Victoria ‡d Melbourne.




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